Forum - (Shiren 1 DS) Discussion: Shiren the Wanderer

Hobserk on Apr 11 2008, 5:06 PM EDT

At 3XX hp you recover 3 hp/turn, so I think it should be 1% of Max HP

Hobserk on Apr 11 2008, 6:32 PM EDT

Hp gain is not constant. I think it's easier to find out a formula if we do several runs where we write down the actual gain, not the total hp. Exp is constant but i can't see a formula so far. Might be hard coded.

Eurytus on Aug 18 2008, 3:14 PM EDT

As far as I can tell, Hp gain per level is random, but constant. Random somewhere between 3 and 5, as far as I can tell.

Eurytus on Aug 18 2008, 3:20 PM EDT

Also, raw damage gain is ridiculously difficult to figure out. Monster defense works against it and weapon attack works to increase this, obviously. The best I can figure is gathering lots of happiness herbs and hitting a mamel a couple times per level to see how much damage you do (damage also isn't one single number, and can vary by some amount) and recording that. Spading this seems like it will be very difficult. Strength's factor in it should be minimized as well; maybe it should stay at 8.

Hobserk on Aug 19 2008, 12:17 AM EDT

If it is random, then it's not constant!? Also note that if you gain a level, then drop one, the gain it again, your new hp will not be the same as last time. Angband has random hp gains, but calculates all of them before starting the game, so you can't hp scum. In Shiren you could theoretically get yourself a hani type monster and reroll your hp until you get the best roll each level, but it is totally not worth it

EchoNull on Aug 19 2008, 5:21 AM EDT

I corroborate that HP gain by leveling has some variance; Eurytus probably meant that it remains constantly in the range of 3-5 HP, whether you're going from Lv. 2 to 3 or 50 to 51. Right?

EchoNull on Aug 19 2008, 5:21 AM EDT

I'll spade this by doing some AWAR while I wait for Hobserk to save my bacon :-)

EchoNull onAug 19 2008, 12:22 PM EDT

Eww. The # of turns it takes to recover 1 HP suffers some weird patterns reflecting some fractional additivity to health: in one case, the number of turns needed to recover each successive HP was:
2, 2, 2, 3, 2, 2, 2, 2, 3, 2, 2, 2, 2, 3, 2, 2, 2, 2, 3, and then repeated. I have no idea what they'd be adding to consistently to produce this. It's also possible that the value is based on maxHP, which I'll be testing by not avoiding Herbs of Life in future tests.

As far as HP Max increases per level, these have been pretty random-looking smattering in the 3-7 range.

Max HP increase --- Frequency
3 --- 4
4 --- 7
5 --- 5
6 --- 9
7 --- 5

It's not a lot of data so far, but now it's archived here for safekeeping and other people to supplement. This was acquired over two runs in Table Mountain while awaiting rescue, one getting to Lv. 23, one to 16. In both cases, I got multiple levels at some point, which led to missing values. I did not interpolate what the average HP value between nonadjacent levels could have been, and instead just started counting again when I next leveled normally.

A Hani might actually be a much faster way to spade *this* aspect :-)

Posted Anonymously on Aug 19 2008, 1:02 PM EDT

In the second post this thread I guessed that hp recovery is 1% of max hp, what would also result in a pattern like the one described by you. It works by the game keeping track of fractial hp

Posted Anonymously on Aug 19 2008, 1:02 PM EDT.

» In the second post this thread I guessed that hp recovery is 1% of max hp, what would also result in a pattern like the one described by you. It works by the game keeping track of fractial hp«

EchoNull on Aug 19 2008, 1:10 PM EDT

• facepalm*

lern 2 reed, self.