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rhaining23 9/11/2018 3:27:35
I've contributed an enormous amount of content to shiren.wikifoundry.com over the years (starting back when it was called Wet Paint). On the one hand, you can't really complain too much about something that's free, and I'm definitely grateful to whoever set up the Shiren wiki site. It may be costing someone some money to keep it up, or if not money, then definitely time and lots of it, and I definitely appreciate whatever time and money has been put into it.
But OTOH, it's just not stable enough. I've been locked out of logging in / editing for over a week now. I've tried reporting the problem in multiple ways, but have not received a response. I assume (hope?) the owners/admins are just overwhelmed and can't respond right now. (I hope that's true because some alternatives are worse, such as the site just plain being abandoned.) Over and above simply being able to log in now, I've experienced several periodic outages, it's not well supported on my main browser (Safari), and I've had to work around some problems (e.g. putting a period for every blank line).
I don't own or speak for the site, but I'm wondering what the real owners or other consumers would think of moving the content to a different wiki site. I have no idea which sites, if any, would be both well-supported yet perfectly free. gamepedia.com looks interesting as it's video-game specific, I like the content of other video game wikis there, and it appears to be free. (I'd love it if gamefaqs.com supported wikis directly! But I have no belief that will happen any time soon.)
Thoughts?
| Posted by Jubilee (administrator) on 22 January 2025 at 19:49. |
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Nerthing 9/12/2018 4:46:14
I've thought about this since the wiki was abandoned after the DS game lost popularity. The whole site has always been buggy/unstable, and editing is always a hassle. Visual bugs, limitations, and the lack of updates to the wiki editing process has made it unappealing to contribute.
There's sites that let you create wikis for free, and its preferred to use one of these since the lack of popularity of the series is probably not worth the cost of hosting. I can look at some sites to give my recommendation later today.
| Posted by Jubilee (administrator) on 22 January 2025 at 19:49. |
| rhaining23 9/12/2018 2:36:38
Sounds good, would love to know what might be good choices. I spent some time looking through a wiki comparison site, but since it listed Wet Paint as a site that might be good for me, I doubt it had current information. :^)
I also dropped a note to gamepedia.com to request a wiki. They apparently approve wiki sites about games but then it's free after that. Not sure if they'll approve my request, and even if they do, I'm not sure that's the best site, and, I don't feel it's necessarily my place to unilaterally move all the wiki content anywhere anyway. (I would not be surprised if I happened to be the single biggest contributor to that wiki, but there's definitely a ton of great material that I didn't write, nor did I start the site at all.) If you're one of the original founders of shiren.wikifoundry.com, and you want it moved, that would feel more legit.
| Posted by Jubilee (administrator) on 22 January 2025 at 19:49. |
| Nerthing 9/12/2018 7:19:11
I'd say Gamepedia would be the best choice. It's one of the most popular wiki hosting sites, and seems like a more stable platform. Plus, it uses a standard wiki format rather than the simple (and limited) WYSIWYG editors.
I'm not an original founder of the wiki, and pretty much nobody originally on there has been active for years. There's only a handful of active members currently, with occasional visitors. I mainly spent time cleaning up the current wiki and making some additions/changes to Shiren 1 pages.
I'm finishing up my current project soon so I would have some time to help convert it to the new location. Let me know how your request goes and maybe we can make the transition soon.
| Posted by Jubilee (administrator) on 22 January 2025 at 19:49. |
| rhaining23 9/17/2018 1:59:46
Ben Robinson of Gamepedia replied to me and accepted to create a base wiki with me as an admin. I'm interested but also hesitant. Does anyone think it would be a bad idea to migrate all the content to Gamepedia? Does anyone have a relationship with anyone who sponsors the current wiki to ask them? I've tried contacting the shiren.wikifoundry.com folks many times with no success.
| Posted by Jubilee (administrator) on 22 January 2025 at 19:50. |
| Nerthing 9/17/2018 4:24:33
I would consider the wiki to be abandoned by the former owner/mods. They haven't contributed anything for many years. Two months ago I stripped admin rights from everyone except the current active admins and I haven't received any messages about it so it's safe to say they no longer visit the site.
The best reason I have for doing the move besides being on a stable platform is preservation of the site. Gamepedia is giant compared to Wikifoundry, and with how unstable the site is who knows when it could suddenly go down for good. Plus, who knows, maybe someone browsing the wikis on Gamepedia might see one called Shiren the Wanderer and get interested in the series.
| Posted by Jubilee (administrator) on 22 January 2025 at 19:50. |
| rhaining23 9/17/2018 6:37:16
OK, I'll start the process, and hopefully anyone else who has a strong opinion can weigh in before things get too far along. Nerthing, I assume you'd like to be an admin as well? If so, please LMK your Gamepedia handle.
Gamepedia does not have functionality to replicate text/links from Wiki Foundry, so any replication will have to be by hand. :^(
| Posted by Jubilee (administrator) on 22 January 2025 at 19:50. |
| Nerthing 9/17/2018 7:21:20
Yeah, admin access would help with getting the wiki together. I can definitely help with the transfer and the design if desired. Gamepedia handle is Shiren1111
| Posted by Jubilee (administrator) on 22 January 2025 at 19:50. |
| rhaining23 9/18/2018 12:42:54
Update: My handle on gamepedia.com is rhaining. I've asked for "shiren.gamepedia.com" to be created and to have the two of us as admins. I'm not sure yet if there will be any objections but I assume not.
I also believe it's OK for the wiki to cover an entire game series. E.g. there's a single wiki on that site for all Zelda games.
I would actually prefer to move content to the other site, but, maybe that would be bad for some reason? It's obviously impossible to move content at this time as it's been 2 weeks and I still can't login to wikifoundry, nor have I received any response from any wikifoundry site admin. At the very least I'd like to put a big redirect sign up, after the content is copied that is.
Nerthing, I plan to do a one-time site leach on the existing site, just to have a private backup in case the site goes down again, then I suggest we discuss offline about the best way to migrate the content. I'll send a PM with my contact info.
If anyone else would be an appropriate admin, and better yet might help migrate the content, please let us know! There aren't that many individual pages for Shirens 2-5, but there are a ton of pages for Shiren 1 that I also want to make sure get migrated.
| Posted by Jubilee (administrator) on 22 January 2025 at 19:50. |
| rhaining23 9/20/2018 12:21:15
FYI for anyone else interested in the wiki.
I've tried hard to contact support for wikifoundry, and I've tried hard to contact interested parties in the Shiren community. So far, I've received no response from anyone from wikifoundry, and the only reponses I've received from the player community have been pro migration to another wiki site. To the best of my knowledge, no one has been able to login to wikifoundry at all for over 2 weeks.
So, we're moving!
We've requested and been approved for a wiki on gamepedia.com. The site isn't available yet but I expect it will be soon. Nerthing and I are splitting up the work to migrate the content and will announce when everything's been moved over. I can't offer an ETA yet though, as I have no idea when the site will be created or how long the migration will take.
Post-migration, I have a lot of edits piled up that I want to make, and I'll do that on the new site.
Unfortunately, there is currently no way to edit the existing site at all, not even to put up a "we've moved!" sign. I'll happily do that if I'm ever able to do so.
I have not yet grabbed a local copy of the current wiki site. If anyone has cycles and the ability to grab a local copy, please do so, just in case the current wiki has another outage! (SiteSucker on Mac is one method.)
| Posted by Jubilee (administrator) on 22 January 2025 at 19:51. |
| brunocar 10/3/2018 10:16:03
if you have issues with the site is probably safari being a dick, i have no problems with firefox or vivaldi
| Posted by Jubilee (administrator) on 22 January 2025 at 19:51. |
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