Forum - (Shiren 1 DS) Discussion: Minimalist Challenge

DonJonker on Apr 20 2009, 6:05 AM EDT | Post edited: Apr 20 2009, 6:10 AM EDT

Oh.. well that raises a whole other issue: the value of mods.

E.g.: Which is better: A mastersword +20 or a mastersword+10 w/ dragon mod?

This might be resolved by assigning point values to each mod.. would take some fine tuning, but would be an interesting exercise.
Say, Gold=+5, Dragon+15, Cyclops+10, Air +10, Ghost+15, Drain+5, Explode+8... something like that. So a Mastersword+20 ~ Mastersword with Gold and Dragon Mod. Could be extended to shields.

Point values might vary b/w dungeons.

...but I think I'll wait on all this until some other people enter some scores. :P

Hobserk on Apr 20 2009, 6:14 AM EDT

Nice. That would indeed take a lot of fine tuning, and would likely be impossible to get right. Instead the lists could be extended to include several entries that are "best" in some way. I think that's called Paretro-Supremum or something... After all a FFP without a weapon is totally different from one without a shield

As for F50 Ravine: You haven't seen Hell Dragons yet right? What about Fear Raddishs?

Posted by Hobserk on Apr 20 2009, 6:14 AM EDT.

» As for F50 Ravine: You haven't seen Hell Dragons yet right? What about Fear Raddishs?«

DonJonker on Apr 20 2009, 9:26 AM EDT

I don't think I've seen either yet. Doing a non-minimalist run now in the Ravine to check 'em out.

Hobserk on Apr 20 2009, 2:46 PM EDT

Hmmm what about getting rescued? My guy just died when I attacked a spike while under hp drain. That's like how I die 50% of the time too. The revival herb is still sitting inside the Walrus Jar :)

DonJonker on Apr 20 2009, 3:17 PM EDT

Yeah I've got nothing against rescues as normal if nobody else does. That's another beautiful thing about this game - built-in protection from YAADs (not to mention YASDs :). As you suggest, this will likely become more important if/when we whittle down the crescent slayer and blast shield mods... which you seem to have already done. :D

Or if you're just asking for a personal rescue, I can do one later. :P

Hobserk on Apr 20 2009, 3:27 PM EDT

Thanks. The rescue request is on the gamefaqs board :)

Hobserk on Apr 23 2009, 2:34 PM EDT

After two totally stupid deaths I reached tainted path and started to descend. Found a total of 1 Melding Jar that gave me a +8 Ironshield with Hide and Blast. Had to notice very soon that the levels of tainted path are a lot harder, with less items than final puzzle, and mosters seem to spawn a lot faster.

Lost my last healing item around 50 and haven't found one since. At that point things got ugly with way too many skull demons and birds and other stuff. I was almost dead several times.

Somehow made it through the Skull Demon zone. Now I'm at 80 with +11 Mastersword, +11 Ironshield and Antidrain Armband. Fullness is zero, all I have to eat is a Bird Meat and that herb of revival from F11 :) Unless something really lucky happens during the next one or two levels, I guess my chance to survive the Ark Dragons is approaching zero very fast...

DonJonker on Apr 23 2009, 2:38 PM EDT | Post edited: Apr 23 2009, 2:39 PM EDT

Oof - pray for a riceball and a dragonward. I'm insanely impressed, however. I wouldn't have thought this even possible... And I assume you've got a rescue left (a solemn promise to do it should you require one). Here's one fellow cheering you on!

Hobserk on Apr 23 2009, 3:08 PM EDT

Died at 86. Yes there was a rescue left but at that point at had already used backup shields as throwing weapons :) Even if rescued I wouldn't have made it any further down..

Used Great Hall Scrolls on 81 and 82 to speed things up and found nothing. 83 Died from hunger, byebye Herb of Revival. 84 Found Jar of Change[4], turned into Chiro[3], 10 arrows, a Walrus Jar[5] and Knockback. Threw Walrus Jar against the wall but only got one Walrus instead of five because I threw at the wrong corner. That was the last error of that game and I died with nothing left on 86.

Shieldless works in final puzzle, because there are enough items to counter it. Not so much on tainted path, and that was with a very lucky first 20 floors... I'm still saying it's possible, but it's harder than expected.