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== Introduction ==
For the basics, read the [[Shiren 5/Gameplay Elements/Secret Pots & New Items|New Items]] page.


At some point, you gain access to the first 2 secret pots in the Hotel Nekomaneki basement, and then later, you gain access to all 6 secret pots. When you put a base item into a secret pot and let it "bake" for 1-7 real-world days, it may turn into a new item. Any magic effect the base stock item had will still be there, and new items will also have 1-3 additional "secret pot effects" added onto them. You don't control what secret pot effects are added, they're chosen randomly, so this sometimes results in useless or amusing junk, but other times it makes fantastic new items that are far superior to the stock items you can find normally.
This guide covers the strategy aspects of {{Shiren52020|New Items}}.


In addition to the extra magic effects, new item swords and shields may also receive a power boost, upgrade limits and rune limits.
==Introduction==
The secret pots in the basement of Hotel Nekomaneki lets you create new items. Swords, Shields, Bracelets, Grasses, Scrolls, Staves, and Talismans can be turned into new items.


The longer you leave the base item in the secret pot, the better your chances of making an awesome new item. You can look into the secret pot at any time to see (a) how many real world days have passed, (b) what effects would be added if you were to take it out at that time, and (c) for swords and shields, how much the inherent power will be boosted, if at all. Sometimes the base item will be unchanged, in which case you can leave it baking longer or get your base item back (and perhaps re-insert it right away). About a third of the times, the base item will have 1-3 additional effects added on to it, and you can take the item out and register it as a new item in your save file. If the effects are not great, you can leave the item in the secret pot for another day and the additional effects may change. If you leave the item baking for 8+ days, it will turn into Weeds. Note that if you put an item in, you cannot take it back out again immediately, you must leave it for at least one day. If anything about the new item changes, you can never get the base item back again. Your only options are to take the item out and register it as a new item, discard it, or let it bake longer and hope to get better effects.
You can look into the secret pot at any time to see (a) how many real world days have passed, (b) what effects would be added if you were to take it out at that time, and (c) for swords and shields, how much the inherent power will be boosted, if at all. Each day, there is a chance (~1/3) that the item will acquire a random set of 1-3 additional magic effects, replacing any previously added effects. You can take the item out any time and register it as a new item in your save file. If the effects are not great, you can leave the item in the secret pot for another day and the additional effects may change. Presumably, you are more likely to get better effects the longer the item bakes. It is best to check the secret pots once a day to see what effects have changed on your baking items, and pull out items that are good enough. Always take out items after 7 days have passed, unless you prefer to discard them, since all items turn into Weeds after 8 days.


When the effects change, they are completely re-randomized, aside from the base item's effect which never changes. Presumably, you are more likely to get better effects the longer the item bakes. It is best to check the secret pots once a day to see what effects have changed on your baking items, and pull out items that are good enough.
The contents in secret pots change at midnight in the GMT timezone. Theoretically, you could save and quit, then advance the date on your PS Vita, then launch the game again to advance this process much faster. It is unknown whether this throws off anything else about your game. (The Japanese Shiren 5 wiki says it is safe<ref>https://seesaawiki.jp/w/shiren5/d/%bf%b7%bc%ef%c6%bb%b6%f1</ref> .)
 
The date change in the GMT timezone appears to be what controls the clock, not the date according to your timezone, and not an arbitrary 24-hour period starting from the moment you put the item into the secret pot. Theoretically, you could save and quit, then advance the date on your PS Vita, then launch the game again to advance this process much faster. No one has yet tested this to prove it is safe, e.g. if it throws off anything else about your game. For example, it would suck if this disabled your ability to request rescues from other players on the internet. If anyone knows if this is safe, please update this wiki with details. (One page on the Japanese Shiren 5 Seasaw wiki seems to say that it's safe<ref>https://seesaawiki.jp/w/shiren5/d/%bf%b7%bc%ef%c6%bb%b6%f1</ref>.)
 
Each Shiren 5 save file can have at most 64 new items registered. You can keep crafting new items after that, but when you choose to save another new item, you must choose an existing new item to delete. When you do this, any copies of the deleted item that exist anywhere in your save game world are discarded.


There are a few strategies when it comes to naming a new item:
There are a few strategies when it comes to naming a new item:


* You could name the new item "base item name" and append a + sign for every additional magic effect on it. This does not you tell at a glance which added effects it is, but it is simple and consistent.
* You can use the base item name and append a + sign for every additional magic effect on it. This does not tell you at a glance which added effects it has, but it is simple and consistent.
* You could name the new item with a concatenation of short names of the effects, like FloStrID for a bracelet that is a combination of Floating + Strength + Identify. This can help you see which effects are on the new item at a glance, but the names might be a bit ugly, and it can be hard to jam 4 stock names into 10 characters.
* You can name the new item with a concatenation of short names of the effects, like FloStrID for a bracelet that is a combination of Floating + Strength + Identify. This can help you see which effects are on the new item at a glance, but the names might be a bit ugly, and it can be hard to jam 4 stock names into 10 characters.
* You can come up with unique and memorable names like "Doom" -- but it can be hard to remember what 64 unique names mean.
* You can come up with unique and memorable names like "Doom" -- but it can be hard to remember what 64 unique names mean.


Each time you return to Nekomaneki Village after a dungeon run, you can buy a single copy of any one new item you have registered in your game file from the raccoon who runs the secret pot place. Since you can only buy one new item per run, if you've crafted some amazing consumable new items, don't forget to buy one every time you pass through so you can build up greater stock of said items.
Each time you return to Nekomaneki Village after a dungeon run, you can buy one new item of your choice from the raccoon who runs the secret pot place. Don't forget to buy one every time you pass through so you can build up greater stock of useful items.


The new items you've created can also appear in some dungeons. This can help tilt the balance of power in those dungeons in your favor, especially in [[Shiren 5/Old Road|Old Road]] since you cannot take items inside.  
Each Shiren 5 save file can have at most 64 new items registered. You can keep crafting new items after that, but you must choose an existing new item to delete. When you do this, any copies of the deleted item anywhere on your save file disappear.


Only Swords, Shields, Bracelets, Grasses, Scrolls, Staves, and Talismans can be turned into new items in secret pots. You also can't use a new item as a base to make a newer new item.
The new items you've created can also appear in some dungeons. This can help tilt the balance of power in those dungeons in your favor, especially in {{Shiren52020|Old Road}} and {{Shiren52020|Heavenly Lake}} since you cannot take items inside. If you want to maximize your chance to beat these dungeons, only register powerful new items. If you crafted many mediocre ones, the only way to delete them is to make more than 64 new items.


== Pros and Cons ==
==New Item Ideas==


=== Pros ===
* Make new items based on an Undo Grass, so you will find them in many dungeons. This also lets you buy one per run at the new item shop. You can use this to ensure you always have an Undo Grass, which works great if you want to go shopping in a remote town.
The upside possibilities are enormous. Here are some ideas:
*Similarly, a new item scroll with the Extraction Scroll effect lets you buy one every run without having to spend points.
* Make new items based on an Undo Grass, so you will tend to find new item Undo Grasses more frequently in many dungeons. This also lets you buy one per run at the new item shop. You can use this to ensure you always have an Undo Grass, which works great if you want to go shopping in a remote town.
* A scroll that summons all monsters to be near you, then blasts them with Vacuum Slash twice, then puts any survivors to sleep where you can mop them up easily. This lets you clear an entire dungeon floor.
* It is possible to make a new item scroll that summons all monsters to be near you, then blasts them with Vacuum Slash twice, then puts any survivors to sleep where you can mop them up easily. You can clear an entire dungeon floor trivially with this, and any item drops would be at your feet, too.
* A scroll that creates a monster house, then deletes all traps, then blasts the room with Vacuum Slash, then confuses the monsters?
* Or how about a new item scroll that creates a monster house, then deletes all traps, then blasts the room with Vacuum Slash, then confuses the monsters?
*A new item Fixer Scroll can be read it at night without a light.
*Or a new item scroll based on the Fixer Scroll plus any other scroll you want, so you can read it at night without a light?
*Grass that gives you multiple buffs such as Swift, Invincible, Power Up, and Antidote.
* Using 200 points for a Blank Scroll as an Extraction Scroll is pricey, so how about just making a new item with Extraction on it, so you can at least buy one of them every run with Gitan instead of points?
* Make new item bracelets with up to 4 strong bracelet effects, so you can have all of them at the same time. If you have the item resonance that lets you wear 2 bracelets, you can get up to 8 bracelet effects.
* Make a new item grass that gives you Swift, Invincible, Power Up, and Antidote all at once. The power!
* Make a new item sword based on a level 8 Kaburagi or Helix Shield. Not only could this be your best equipment for dungeons that let you take items in, but you might also find it on early floors in Old Road or Heavenly Lake. Note that runes on the base items will disappear, and must be added again.
* Make a new item bracelet with 4 of the strongest and best effects on it, and be able to equip them all as a single bracelet. Make 2 awesome bracelets and get 8 magic effects so long as you equip items that resonate to let you wear 2 bracelets. And should you ever lose one of these awesome bracelets, no problem, you can buy a replacement from the new item shop.
* Make a new item sword based on a level 8 Kaburagi, with awesome extra magic effects added on it, and use this as your new base weapon. Not only could this be your best weapon for dungeons that let you take items in, but you might also find this same weapon lying on the ground on 1F of a dungeon that doesn't let you take items in and dominate the run with it.
* Some secret pot effects on swords and shields cause them to have a chance to increase their upgrade value when you change floors, or to always increase their upgrade value when used. If you see an effect like this, register the new item! If you find a new item with this added effect in a dungeon where you can't take items in, you'll have a much easier time of winning the run.
* Using a new item scroll or grasses with 4 effects only takes one turn.


=== Cons ===
==Bracelets==
The upsides vastly outweigh the downsides, but there are downsides to be aware of:
* You can't turn new items into runes. E.g. a new item based on the Shockuto cannot be turned into the Paralyzing rune. [TODO: re-confirm this.] So, if you find a super rare item that can either make a good rune or make a good base for a new item, you'll have to choose. (Playing the long game, maybe defer until you can collect 3 of them and use a Fever Pot to replicate them?)
* You can add runes onto new item swords and shields, but you can't move those runes off onto another item. If you use a great level 8 sword or shield as a base item, and the new item has great additional effects on it, why would you ever want to move your runes off of it? Because you might make an even better new item in future, and there are at least a few great runes that are very hard to come by.
* New items always sell for 10 Gitan, but if you want to buy it at a shop you will have to pay full price.
* You cannot delete a new item from your list of registered new items, unless you already have 64 new items. So if you make a bad or mediocre new item early on, you will find it in some dungeons.
* Some secret pot effects have subtle downsides. For example, you can cause monsters to drop Onigiri more often. But if you do this, you may find that you have more Onigiri than you need, and it can replace drops of other more useful items.
* You cannot trade new items with other players.
 
== Grasses, Scrolls, Staves, and Talismans ==
 
The effects that can appear on a new item grass, scroll, staff or talisman are the same as the effects of base items in that category. The item's innate effect is always first, followed by 1-3 effects available for that type of item. It is possible to get "has no particular effect" as an added effect, corresponding to Weeds.
 
An effect can appear on a new item more than once. The order that effects appear is the order in which they will be executed.
 
If you throw a new item scroll that has 4 total effects at a monster, you'll see it do 2 damage 4 times in a row for a total of 8 damage.
 
When a new item in these categories is blessed, every effect is blessed. This includes the Extraction Scroll: a blessed new item with the Extraction Scroll effect can only be read once.
 
== Bracelets ==


While most bracelet effects correspond to existing bracelet, a few new item bracelet effects (such as "You can withstand a fatal strike") don't exist on any base bracelet. There are also a few bracelets, such as Floating Bracelet, whose effect can never appear as a new item effect. (You can still use a Floating Bracelet as your base item.)
While most bracelet effects correspond to existing bracelet, a few new item bracelet effects (such as "You can withstand a fatal strike") don't exist on any base bracelet. There are also a few bracelets, such as Floating Bracelet, whose effect can never appear as a new item effect. (You can still use a Floating Bracelet as your base item.)


Each effect can only appear once on a new item bracelet.
It is more important to craft new item bracelets than any other kind of new item. You can only equip 1 or 2 bracelets at a time normally, but there are many useful bracelet effects.
 
It is more important to craft new item bracelets than any other kind of new item. You can only equip 1 or 2 bracelets at a time normally, but there are many more useful bracelet effects available. Moreover, for certain rare types of bracelets, it's great to be able to buy replacement copies from the new item shop any time you'd like.


Here are some considerations when crafting a new item bracelet: (see also [https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/106641-shiren-the-wanderer-the-tower-of-fortune-and-the-dice-of/76181293 This external forum post] )
Here are some considerations when crafting a new item bracelet: (see also [https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/106641-shiren-the-wanderer-the-tower-of-fortune-and-the-dice-of/76181293 This external forum post] )


* The Anti-Parry Bracelet (effect written as "Prevents items from being blocked") can save your equipment from being destroyed via a careless mistake against a [[Shiren 5/Monsters/Swordsman Family|Swordsman]] or [[Shiren 5/Monsters/Field Knave Family|Field Knave]].
* "Prevents items from being blocked" is the effect on Anti-Parry Bracelet. It can save your equipment from being destroyed by a {{Shiren52020|Swordsman Family|Swordsman}} or {{Shiren52020|Field Knave}}.
* The effect '''"Items thrown at you will miss"''' is a mistranslation. What it actually does is "Items thrown '''by''' you will miss", which corresponds to Inacc. Bracelet. Make sure you don't include it by mistake!
*'''"Items thrown at you will miss"''' is a mistranslation. What it actually does is "Items thrown '''by''' you will miss", which corresponds to Inacc. Bracelet.
* The effect "Boosts buff rates and # of usable items" is pretty amazing. It can add charges to staves in your main inventory and also add upgrade points to your swords and shields in main inventory when you change floors. It seems to trigger about 25% of the time. It may also increase stacks of items like arrows, stones, or talismans, though these effects aren't confirmed.
* "Boosts buff rates and # of usable items" is pretty amazing. It can add charges to staves in your main inventory and also add upgrade points to your swords and shields in main inventory when you change floors. It seems to trigger about 25% of the time. It may also increase stacks of items like arrows, stones, or talismans ''(Confirm?)''
* The effect "Increases weapon and shield growth rate" could be very nice in Old Road. It would act like a permanent Upgrade Seed, allowing your found weapons and items to level up much faster. (Although maybe it is better to just make high level new item swords and shields instead.)
* "Increases weapon and shield growth rate" acts like a permanent Upgrade Seed, allowing your weapons and items to level up much faster.
* The effect "Monsters will drop Onigiri more often" can be problematic, as it can replace other more valuable monster drops.
* "Monsters will drop Onigiri more often" can be problematic, as it can replace other more valuable monster drops.
* The effects "Raises miss rate of items launched at you" and "Recover quicker from status ailments", neither of which is associated with any stock bracelet, sound like they could be very helpful in a broad set of circumstances.
* "Raises miss rate of items launched at you" and "Recover quicker from status ailments" are both very helpful.


== Swords and Shields ==
==Swords and Shields==


Like with bracelets, some innate effects of swords and shields never appear as an added effect, such as Wonder Pick, and secret pots can add some effects that can't be added to your sword or shield any other way. For example, one secret pot effect is "High evasion if you miss on your turn", and it is only obtainable by baking a shield in a secret pot.
Like with bracelets, some innate effects of swords and shields (such as that of Wonder Pick) never appear as an added effect, and some added effects don't exist on any base sword or shield.


If a secret pot effect has an equivalent rune effect, you cannot have both on a piece of equipment. You also cannot get a secret pot effect on a sword or shield if it is equivalent to the sword or shield's innate effect. A Gold Shield cannot get the secret pot effect "Upgrade value will never decrease", and a new item Plain Targe with "Upgrade value will never decrease" cannot have the Rustproof rune. (See [[Shiren 5/Gameplay Elements/Magic Effects Model|Magic Effects Model]] for more details.)
You can add runes onto a new item sword or shield, but you cannot convert a new item into a rune or transfer runes from a new item sword or shield. So don't add a rare rune to a new item sword or shield if you might want to move it to a different sword or shield later.


Each effect can only appear once on a new item sword or shield.
It is best to use level 8 swords and shields as your base items, because the resulting new items will also be level 8.


You can add runes onto new item swords and shields, but you can never convert new item swords/shields into runes, nor can you transfer runes off of new item swords/shields to other items. So, don't add a rare rune to a new item sword/shield if you might want to move it to a different sword/shield later. You can still remove runes from new item swords and shields at the Hermit's Hermitage blacksmith (needs confirmation), but you cannot remove a secret pot effect.
New item swords and shields can get a boost to their inherent power level, up to +15 according to the Japanese wiki. The upgrade limit and rune limit can be increased as well, but most level 8 swords and shields have a +99 upgrade limit and infinite rune limit already. (If a new item sword or shield seems to have no magic effects, it probably got an inherent power boost.)


It is best to use level 8 swords/shields as your base items, because the resulting new items will also be level 8. This can really help in Old Road, where you can find new items but cannot enter with items. Creating many level 8 new item swords and shields will raise your chances of finding them. The shield effect "May be upgraded when you are attacked" is particularly awesome, because the shield's upgrade value goes up really fast. The sword and shield effect "Might upgrade when you change floors", which corresponds to the Refining rune, is also quite nice.
* The shield effect "May be upgraded when you are attacked" is particularly useful.


In addition to magic effects, new item swords/shields can also get a boost to their inherent power level. Pay attention to the power level of an item as it's baking in a secret pot and compare it to the base item's power level. The maximum possible boost (according to the Japanese wiki) is +15, which makes a substantial difference. The Japanese wiki also states that the upgrade limit and rune limit can be increased as well, but it's generally best to use a level 8 sword or shield as your base item, and most level 8 swords/shields have the max of +99 upgrades and +infinity runes already. (Sometimes as a sword/shield is baking in a secret pot, the game seems to treat it as a new item but it has no added magic effects; double check the inherent power, upgrade limit, and rune limit of the new item as compared to the base/stock item, as one or more of these values is probably higher than normal.)
* The sword and shield effect "Might upgrade when you change floors", which corresponds to the Refining rune, is also quite nice.


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This guide covers the strategy aspects of New Items.

Introduction

The secret pots in the basement of Hotel Nekomaneki lets you create new items. Swords, Shields, Bracelets, Grasses, Scrolls, Staves, and Talismans can be turned into new items.

You can look into the secret pot at any time to see (a) how many real world days have passed, (b) what effects would be added if you were to take it out at that time, and (c) for swords and shields, how much the inherent power will be boosted, if at all. Each day, there is a chance (~1/3) that the item will acquire a random set of 1-3 additional magic effects, replacing any previously added effects. You can take the item out any time and register it as a new item in your save file. If the effects are not great, you can leave the item in the secret pot for another day and the additional effects may change. Presumably, you are more likely to get better effects the longer the item bakes. It is best to check the secret pots once a day to see what effects have changed on your baking items, and pull out items that are good enough. Always take out items after 7 days have passed, unless you prefer to discard them, since all items turn into Weeds after 8 days.

The contents in secret pots change at midnight in the GMT timezone. Theoretically, you could save and quit, then advance the date on your PS Vita, then launch the game again to advance this process much faster. It is unknown whether this throws off anything else about your game. (The Japanese Shiren 5 wiki says it is safe[1] .)

There are a few strategies when it comes to naming a new item:

  • You can use the base item name and append a + sign for every additional magic effect on it. This does not tell you at a glance which added effects it has, but it is simple and consistent.
  • You can name the new item with a concatenation of short names of the effects, like FloStrID for a bracelet that is a combination of Floating + Strength + Identify. This can help you see which effects are on the new item at a glance, but the names might be a bit ugly, and it can be hard to jam 4 stock names into 10 characters.
  • You can come up with unique and memorable names like "Doom" -- but it can be hard to remember what 64 unique names mean.

Each time you return to Nekomaneki Village after a dungeon run, you can buy one new item of your choice from the raccoon who runs the secret pot place. Don't forget to buy one every time you pass through so you can build up greater stock of useful items.

Each Shiren 5 save file can have at most 64 new items registered. You can keep crafting new items after that, but you must choose an existing new item to delete. When you do this, any copies of the deleted item anywhere on your save file disappear.

The new items you've created can also appear in some dungeons. This can help tilt the balance of power in those dungeons in your favor, especially in Old Road and Heavenly Lake since you cannot take items inside. If you want to maximize your chance to beat these dungeons, only register powerful new items. If you crafted many mediocre ones, the only way to delete them is to make more than 64 new items.

New Item Ideas

  • Make new items based on an Undo Grass, so you will find them in many dungeons. This also lets you buy one per run at the new item shop. You can use this to ensure you always have an Undo Grass, which works great if you want to go shopping in a remote town.
  • Similarly, a new item scroll with the Extraction Scroll effect lets you buy one every run without having to spend points.
  • A scroll that summons all monsters to be near you, then blasts them with Vacuum Slash twice, then puts any survivors to sleep where you can mop them up easily. This lets you clear an entire dungeon floor.
  • A scroll that creates a monster house, then deletes all traps, then blasts the room with Vacuum Slash, then confuses the monsters?
  • A new item Fixer Scroll can be read it at night without a light.
  • Grass that gives you multiple buffs such as Swift, Invincible, Power Up, and Antidote.
  • Make new item bracelets with up to 4 strong bracelet effects, so you can have all of them at the same time. If you have the item resonance that lets you wear 2 bracelets, you can get up to 8 bracelet effects.
  • Make a new item sword based on a level 8 Kaburagi or Helix Shield. Not only could this be your best equipment for dungeons that let you take items in, but you might also find it on early floors in Old Road or Heavenly Lake. Note that runes on the base items will disappear, and must be added again.

Bracelets

While most bracelet effects correspond to existing bracelet, a few new item bracelet effects (such as "You can withstand a fatal strike") don't exist on any base bracelet. There are also a few bracelets, such as Floating Bracelet, whose effect can never appear as a new item effect. (You can still use a Floating Bracelet as your base item.)

It is more important to craft new item bracelets than any other kind of new item. You can only equip 1 or 2 bracelets at a time normally, but there are many useful bracelet effects.

Here are some considerations when crafting a new item bracelet: (see also This external forum post )

  • "Prevents items from being blocked" is the effect on Anti-Parry Bracelet. It can save your equipment from being destroyed by a Swordsman or Field Knave.
  • "Items thrown at you will miss" is a mistranslation. What it actually does is "Items thrown by you will miss", which corresponds to Inacc. Bracelet.
  • "Boosts buff rates and # of usable items" is pretty amazing. It can add charges to staves in your main inventory and also add upgrade points to your swords and shields in main inventory when you change floors. It seems to trigger about 25% of the time. It may also increase stacks of items like arrows, stones, or talismans (Confirm?)
  • "Increases weapon and shield growth rate" acts like a permanent Upgrade Seed, allowing your weapons and items to level up much faster.
  • "Monsters will drop Onigiri more often" can be problematic, as it can replace other more valuable monster drops.
  • "Raises miss rate of items launched at you" and "Recover quicker from status ailments" are both very helpful.

Swords and Shields

Like with bracelets, some innate effects of swords and shields (such as that of Wonder Pick) never appear as an added effect, and some added effects don't exist on any base sword or shield.

You can add runes onto a new item sword or shield, but you cannot convert a new item into a rune or transfer runes from a new item sword or shield. So don't add a rare rune to a new item sword or shield if you might want to move it to a different sword or shield later.

It is best to use level 8 swords and shields as your base items, because the resulting new items will also be level 8.

New item swords and shields can get a boost to their inherent power level, up to +15 according to the Japanese wiki. The upgrade limit and rune limit can be increased as well, but most level 8 swords and shields have a +99 upgrade limit and infinite rune limit already. (If a new item sword or shield seems to have no magic effects, it probably got an inherent power boost.)

  • The shield effect "May be upgraded when you are attacked" is particularly useful.
  • The sword and shield effect "Might upgrade when you change floors", which corresponds to the Refining rune, is also quite nice.