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Swords (Japanese: ) are equipable items that appears in Shiren the Wanderer 5 and 5 Plus. There are three hundred and twenty-eight variants of them in total.

Summary

Shiren 5's Item Book calls this category "Swords", but the game also uses the word "weapon" in many places throughout the UI, and indeed many items in this category aren't actually swords. Also, earlier games in the series called this category "Weapons". The two terms are effectively interchangeable in this game, but for consistency, this wiki uses the category name "sword".

Swords and shields are virtually identical in terms of gameplay mechanics, so much so that this summary section covers both categories. Here are the full set of differences between the two categories:

  • Swords usually improve offense, while shields usually improve defense.
  • In terms of what can be equipped, swords and torches can fill the "sword spot", while only shields can fill the "shield spot". So, you can have at most 1 sword or torch equipped and at most 1 shield equipped.
  • They have different icons in the UI.
  • Different sets of runes are available for each.

The types of swords and shields are always fully identified, but the instance modifiers are usually not identified by default. E.g. you can always tell that an Ordinary Stick is an Ordinary Stick, but you can't always tell how many upgrade points it has or whether or not it is cursed. Equipping the item is one way to fully identify it.

Swords and shields have an inherent power value, which is specific and fixed for every instance of a given type of item. The inherent power value seems to be positively correlated with both the price of the item and the experience required to level it up. (So, the higher the power, the more it costs and the more experience it needs to level up.)

Swords and shields have a bonus value aka upgrade value, which can range from -99 to +99. By default, newly generated swords and shields have an upgrade value of -1 to +3, and when it is -1, the item is always cursed as well. When the item is fully identified, the upgrade value shows as a numeric suffix after the name of the item, e.g. Gold Shield +3, unless the upgrade value is 0 in which case no numeric suffix is displayed. Each item also has an upgrade limit, usually much lower than +99. (No one has fully researched how low the upgrade value can go, but given the upper limit is +99, it is assumed the lower limit is -99. The lower limit may also be the negative of the inherent power value of the specific item, such that the total power of the item cannot go negative.)

The total power of a sword or shield is simply its inherent power + its upgrade value + any power bonuses from runes. The damage formula for Shiren 5 is not known, but it appears to be a function of the attacker's level, strength, total sword power, and the defender's level, strength, and total shield power. It may be as simple as totaling up level + strength + inherent item power + upgrade value + bonuses from runes - the same values for the defender, and using the resulting integer in a lookup table to determine the range and distribution of possible damage outcomes. Regardless, higher inherent power, higher upgrade value, higher bonuses from runes, higher level, and higher strength all help. (Many states also help, especially "Super".)

Swords and shields can be cursed. If cursed and equipped, they cannot be voluntarily unequipped, but there is no other known downside. Swords and shields can also be sealed, in which case they can be freely unequipped, but their upgrade points and runes are inactive until the seal is removed. (This can be a big reduction in effectiveness for highly enhanced swords and shields.) Swords and shields can also be blessed. A blessing might improve the power of the item or the effectiveness of the item in some other way, but this hasn't been well researched. A blessing does help protect the item against being cursed or sealed by monsters or traps, however, it's generally not worth it to try to keep swords and shields blessed because the blessings wear off so quickly with normal use. As with every item, a given sword or shield can be blessed, cursed, sealed, or have none of these modifiers, but cannot have more than one modifier at a time. See Blessings, Curses, and Seals for more info.

Some swords and shields have additional inherent magic effects. For example, the Gold Shield cannot rust, and the Rusty Pickaxe can dig holes in walls at the risk of breaking. Swords and shields can also have magical enchantments on them called runes. Runes are partially related to inherent magic effects, but they're not quite the same thing. Almost every inherent magic effect on a sword or shield can be turned into a rune (with one exception), but there are also other runes that come from other sources. Also, inherent magic effects can improve as the item levels up, while the related runes are essentially stuck at level 1. (This was verified via painstaking research.) Runes are binary; a given item either has a given rune or it does not, there is no concept of rune power or rune level. Each item also has a rune limit. If you try to add any more runes onto an item that is at its rune limit, the extra runes will be lost. Through a few different mechanisms, a sword or shield can be destroyed, adding its inherent magic ability as a rune onto another sword or shield along with its upgrade points and bless/curse/seal/none status. See Runes and Crafting for more info.

Unlike other categories of items, swords and shields can gain experience points and can level up with use. Swords and shields exist in "families" of related types, arranged from level 1 up to a maximum of level 8. Once an item reaches level 8, it no longer gains experience and can no longer level up. Typically, the player will only find level 1 swords and shields in dungeons and have to level them up from there, but you can receive higher level items as rewards and new items can also be based on higher level base items. The inherent power, inherent magic effect (if any), upgrade limit, and rune limit usually increase when a sword or shield levels up, and the item can gain/manifest new good runes as it levels up as well. All of these improvements are fixed and happen the same way at the same levels for every instance of the item. There is no known way for items to lose experience or level down.

Note that different levels of swords and shields are in fact different types of items. E.g., the game considers a Katana (level 1) to be a different type of item than a Good Katana (level 2). They count as different items in the Item Book, and putting both into a Fever Pot will cause it to explode.

Pairs of equippable items can "resonate" to add additional positive magic effects. These are similar to equipment combos in other games. Each resonance requires exactly two types of items to be equipped, in different categories, and there is no known way to get two resonance bonuses at the same time. See Resonances for details.

Through various mechanisms, it is possible to tag swords and shields. This isn't magical per se -- think adding an ownership label to the item. If you lose a tagged item, you're almost guaranteed to get it back again. Unfortunately, you can only tag swords and shields. See "The Dungeon Barrier" on the Items page for details.

List of Weapons

Families

For a list of all weapons in the game, see the main article: List of Swords.

Here are all the "families" of swords, in Item Book order. Some weapons improve their innate effect as they level up. This is an important consideration when choosing which item to use as your base. For example, if you want the best possible anti-dragon magic effect, use the Lizard Lasher as your base item, because its innate anti-dragon effect improves as the item levels up, whereas the related rune is essentially stuck at level 1. On the other hand, rustproof protection is binary, so it does not improve as the item levels up, and the rune is just as effective as the innate effect (except for the fact that runes can be removed while innate effects cannot). When equipment gains new runes on leveling up, they are not innate and take up rune slots.

Family Attack Rune Slots Total Exp. to Lv. 8 Base Innate/Rune Effect Lv. 8 Innate Effect Added Runes Resonance Finding Tips
Lv. 1 Lv. 8 Lv. 1 Lv. 8
Ordinary Stick Family 2 15 5 ∞ 25,250 Lv. 8:
Redeeming 		Plain Targe Family:
Equip 2 bracelets 		Common in Tower of Fortune and elsewhere.
Tin Blade Family 4 18 4 ∞ 31,570 Lv. 8:
Rustproof 		Tin Shield Family:
Equip 2 bracelets 		Common in Tower of Fortune and elsewhere.
Katana Family 6 22 4 ∞ 49,300 Lv. 8:
Rustproof 		Iron Targe Family:
Equip 2 bracelets 		Common in Tower of Fortune and elsewhere.
Beast Fang Family 8 20 3 ∞ 37,900 Lv. 5:
Rustproof 		Beast Shield Family:
Equip 2 bracelets 		Common in Tower of Fortune and elsewhere.
Dotanuki Family 10 26 5 ∞ 44,250 Lv. 8:
Enhancing 		Wolfshead Family:
Equip 2 bracelets 		Common in Tower of Fortune and elsewhere.
Bladite Family 12 25 4 ∞ 50,600 Lv. 4:
Uplifting 		Targite Family:
Equip 2 bracelets 		Common in Tower of Fortune and elsewhere.
Lv. 8:
Rustproof
Red Blade Family 14 27 3 ∞ 56,950 Lv. 3:
Uplifting 		Red Shield Family:
Equip 2 bracelets 		Common in Tower of Fortune and elsewhere.
Lv. 8:
Flame Shot
Kabura Katana Family 16 30 2 ∞ 95,000 Lv. 8:
Quick Hitting 		Fuuma Shield Family:
Damage +5 		Reported locations:
  • Lost Well (VIP shops and Pick-A-Choice shops).
Fuuma Sword Family 25 35 ∞ ∞ 175,000 Lv. 7:
Flame Shot 		Fuuma Shield Family:
Damage +5
Helix Shield Family:
Damage +10 		Method 1:
max out your bank account (just shy of 100M gitan).
Method 2:
ask the Hermit's Hermitage blacksmith to upgrade a Katana+99.
Dull Gold Edge Family 2 14 6 ∞ Rustproof:
Does not rust 		No change Lv. 8:
Paralyzing 		Gold Shield Family:
Max Strength +3 		Common in Tower of Fortune and elsewhere.
Bright Blade Family 3 17 6 ∞ 25,300 Redeeming:
After missing twice, next attack will hit for critical damage 		No change (despite description) Lv. 5:
Lively 		Day Shield Family:
Can read scrolls at night 		Common in Tower of Fortune and elsewhere.
Lv. 8:
Confusing
Rusty Pickaxe Family 3 14 9 ∞ Wall Dig:
Can dig walls but has ??% chance to break 		??% chance to break (description states that chance decreases) Lv. 5:
Blinding 		Common in Tower of Fortune and elsewhere.
Old Mallet Family 5 16 8 ∞ 31,700 Trap Busting:
Can destroy traps and items but has ??% chance to break 		??% chance to break (it is assumed that chance may decrease) Lv. 5:
Confusing 		Reported locations:
Sky Splitter Family 2 12 5 ∞ Anti-Floating:
135% damage to floating monsters 		310% damage Lv. 8:
Rustproof 		Common in Tower of Fortune and elsewhere.
Water Cutter Family 4 15 7 ∞ 38,100 Anti-Aquatic:
135% damage to aquatic monsters 		310% damage Lv. 8:
Rustproof 		Common in Tower of Fortune and elsewhere.
Scythe Family 4 13 6 ∞ Anti-Plant:
135% damage to plant monsters 		310% damage Lv. 8:
Rustproof 		Common in Tower of Fortune and elsewhere.
Myopic Masher Family 5 16 6 ∞ 31,750 Anti-Cyclops:
135% damage to cyclopean monsters 		310% damage Lv. 8:
Rustproof 		Spry Shield Family:
Attack and Defense +3 		Common in Tower of Fortune and elsewhere.
Magic Masher Family 5 15 4 ∞ Anti-Magic:
135% damage to magic monsters 		310% damage Lv. 8:
Rustproof 		Common in Tower of Fortune and elsewhere.
Drain Dagger Family 6 13 7 ∞ Anti-Drain:
135% damage to draining monsters 		310% damage Lv. 8:
Rustproof 		Common in Tower of Fortune and elsewhere.
Copper Cleaver Family 7 15 6 ∞ Anti-Metal:
135% damage to metal monsters 		310% damage Lv. 8:
Rustproof 		Common in Tower of Fortune and elsewhere.
Crescent Katana Family 7 14 6 ∞ Anti-Explode:
135% damage to exploding monsters 		310% damage Lv. 8:
Rustproof 		Blast Shield Family:
Attack and Defense +3 		Common in Tower of Fortune and elsewhere.
Lizard Lasher Family 10 17 4 ∞ 63,500 Anti-Dragon:
135% damage to draconic monsters 		310% damage Lv. 8:
Rustproof 		Snake Shield Family:
Attack and Defense +3 		Common in Tower of Fortune and elsewhere.
Nap Rattle Family 2 16 4 11 50,700 Sedating:
12% chance to inflict Asleep status for 6 turns 		26% chance Lv. 8:
Rustproof 		Alert Bracelet:
Sleep chance increased by 2% 		Common in Tower of Fortune and elsewhere.
Shockuto Family 3 15 5 12 50,700 Paralyzing:
12% chance to inflict Paralyzed status 		26% chance Lv. 8:
Rustproof 		Common in Tower of Fortune and elsewhere.
Blurry Stick Family 4 15 5 ∞ 51,500 Blinding:
12% chance to inflict Blind status 		28% chance Lv. 8:
Rustproof 		Common in Tower of Fortune and elsewhere.
Sealing Keisaku Family 5 15 5 ∞ 38,000 Sealing:
12% chance to inflict Sealed status 		28% chance Lv. 8:
Rustproof 		Common in Tower of Fortune and elsewhere.
Baffle Axe Family 6 16 7 ∞ 38,000 Confusing:
12% chance to inflict Confused status 		28% chance Lv. 8:
Rustproof 		Anti-Cnf. Bracelet:
Confusion chance increased by 2% 		Common in Tower of Fortune and elsewhere.
Hatchet Family 5 12 4 11 Critical:
22% chance to make a critical hit 		38% chance Lv. 5:
Lively 		Reported locations:
Lv. 8:
Paralyzing
Shoddy Dirk Family 30 37 10 ∞ 103,000 Expendable:
Every hit decreases weapon power 		No change Lv. 8:
Critical, Quick Hitting 		Shoddy Plank Family:
Sword and shield can't rust (but still weaken from innates) 		Reported locations:
Glass Dirk Family 35 42 4 11 Unsound:
50% chance to break 		36% chance Lv. 8:
Stupefying 		Glass Buckler Family:
Immune to magic 		Reported locations:
Dirk of Debts Family 7 17 4 ∞ 38,100 Costly:
Every hit costs 30 Gitan and does 130% damage. Without Gitan, power drops to 0 		Every hit costs 250 Gitan and does 200% damage N/A Pauper's Plank Family:
~20% chance to make monsters drop 200-399 Gitan (replacing their normal drop) 		Reported locations:
Extreme Sword Family 20 30 5 ∞ 63,000 Focusing:
Always crits, but has only 50% accuracy 		71% accuracy N/A Rush Shield Family:
Equip 2 bracelets 		Reported locations:
Violent Blade Family 12 20 6 ∞ 50,700 Obsessive:
Can't move when adjacent to a monster 		No change Lv. 6:
Anti-Cyclops 		Mojo Bracelet:
Chance to slow enemies 		Reported locations:
Lv. 8:
Blinding
Breeze Blade Family 2 13 6 ∞ Tri-direction:
Attacks in 3 directions 		No change Lv. 8:
Energizing 		Midnight Shield Family:
Sword and shield can't rust 		Reported locations:
Burning Blade Family 9 16 4 ∞ 63,000 Flame Shot:
When HP is full, shoots red flame for 8 damage 		Flame does 25 damage Lv. 5:
Uplifting 		Swap Shield Family:
Increases flame damage by 1 level
Flame does 30 damage if sword is level 8 or has a Blue Flame rune 		Reported locations:
Lv. 8:
Anti-Explode
Wonder Pick Family 7 18 5 ∞ 127,000 Max Wall Dig:
Can dig walls without breaking 		No change Lv. 5:
Blinding 		Nirvana Board Family:
Max HP +30 		Reported locations:
Sturdy Hammer Family 7 17 5 ∞ 127,000 Trap Killing:
Destroys traps and items without breaking 		No change Lv. 5:
Confusing 		Reported locations:
True Knife Family 1 8 10 ∞ Accurate:
Attack always hits 		No change Lv. 8:
Critical 		Anti-Parry Brce.:
Thrown items always hit 		Reported locations:
Pathetic Blade Family 2 38 1 ∞ 127,000 N/A Pathetic Shield Family:
Equip 2 bracelets
When both are Lv. 8:
Can't equip 2 bracelets, but sometimes push back adjacent monsters 1 space 		Reported locations:
Fox Kodachi Family 9 30 0 5 306,070 No innates, but the Clutch, Enlightening, and Anointing runes are exclusive and can't be synthesized or mixed into another sword. Lv. 2:
Energizing 		Unlock both fox sister NPC allies; one can morph into both Fox items.
Lv. 3:
Clutch
Lv. 5:
Enlightening
Lv. 7:
Anointing
Lv. 8:
Healing
Kaburagi Family 25 40 ∞ ∞ 305,535 Lv. 8:
Critical, Quick Hitting 		Helix Shield Family:
Damage +10 		Reported locations:
  • Inori Cave (final reward / wish for it / repeatable)

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