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Heavenly Lake is a bonus dungeon in Shiren 5 in which items dropped on the ground disappear but otherwise without much difference from baseline. You cannot take items, gitan, or allies into the dungeon, but you can request rescue up to 3 times and you do get to keep the items you have on hand if you win. This dungeon experiences both day and night cycles, and given you can't take in items (such as a Time Stop Bracelet), you will definitely need to deal with both day and night. The initial goal floor is 28F, but after first victory, the goal floor becomes 99 F and stays there permanently.
'''Heavenly Lake''' is a [[Shiren 5 Plus/Locations|bonus dungeon]] in ''Shiren 5'' in which items dropped on the ground disappear. You cannot take items, Gitan, or allies into the dungeon, but you can request rescue up to 3 times and you get to keep the items you have on hand if you win. This dungeon experiences both day and night. The initial goal floor is 28F, but after first victory, the goal floor becomes 99 F and stays there permanently.


== Gaining Access ==
== Gaining Access ==
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== Unique Features ==
== Unique Features ==
* Items cannot be placed on the ground.
 
** If you drop, throw, or swap an item onto the ground, it disappears.
* If an item is dropped, thrown, or swapped onto the ground, it disappears.  
*** E.g., if you shoot an arrow or other projectile and it misses, it's gone.
** This includes missed projectiles, monster drops, and items emerging from a broken pot.
*** E.g., if you throw a pot with items in it at a wall, the pot and all the items in it disappear, even if the pot doesn't break.
**An important exception is shops. Items dropped inside shops will not disappear.
** If you kill a monster and it drops one or more items, the dropped items disappear.
** Items are pre-placed on the floor as normal.
** Despite this, items *are* pre-placed on the ground and you can pick these up.
* There seems to also be an exception for items dropped when a monster kills another monster, at least at night.
** One huge and important exception to the disappearing ground rule is shops. Items you place or that fall on the ground in shops don't disappear.
** Example:  At night, a bunch of night monsters killed one another, then day broke. Then I found an item in a hallway, which means it couldn't possibly have been pre-placed there, nor could anything I have done put it there. I assume the only way that item could have gotten there is that night monsters fought one another and the loser dropped an item.
** There seems to also be an exception for items dropped when a monster kills another monster, at least at night.
** It's unknown if monsters that kill other monsters during the day can also drop items safely.
*** Example:  At night, a bunch of night monsters killed one another, then day broke. Then I found an item in a hallway, which means it couldn't possibly have been pre-placed there, nor could anything I have done put it there. I assume the only way that item could have gotten there is that night monsters fought one another and the loser dropped an item.
*** It's unknown if monsters that kill other monsters during the day can also drop items safely.
* New items can appear in this dungeon.
* New items can appear in this dungeon.


== Final Reward ==
== Final Reward ==
Every time you beat the dungeon, you get a Heavenly Pot. Some online posts state that Heavenly Pots can be found in multiple dungeons, but the only known location to get one is by beating this dungeon. If you fill the Heavenly Pot at the hot springs in Inori Village, you can then use it in dungeons like a Heal Pot only better because it heals both HP and status ailments, then you can refill it again in the hot springs.
Every time you beat the dungeon, you get a Heavenly Pot. This is the only way to obtain this item in single-player mode. The Heavenly Pot is effectively a reusable Heal Pot. You can refill it at the hot springs in [[Shiren 5/Inori Village|Inori Village]].


== Farming Opportunities ==
== Farming Opportunities ==
There are no known farming opportunities in this dungeon.  That is, there are no known rare or valuable items of which you can extract multiple copies easily from this dungeon.  Though not a farming opportunity per se, the final reward item is certainly very rare, though it may not be unique to this location and it's not actually particularly valuable anyway.
There are no known farming opportunities in this dungeon, aside from the final reward item.


== Strategies ==
== Strategies ==
Retrain yourself not to use the ground, including not to use Mixer monsters in the normal way. Stores are super important, even more so than usual, because they're the only known places you can (e.g.) safely break Synthesis Pots. If by some chance you're on a floor that has both a shop and Mixer monsters, you can lure them into the shop and kill them there to get mixed/crafted items out, but (a) this might be more of a PITA than it's worth and (b) this combination of circumstances won't occur regularly or often so you can't rely on mixing as a strategy on every run. (See the Monsters section if you want to learn precisely which monsters can appear on each floor.) So, it's probably best to just consume those Life Herbs and other items you might normally want to save as rune ingredients. Likewise, it may not be worth the effort to lure a monster that has a small chance to drop an item into a shop, as it would take so much effort for so little return that you'd start running the risk of starvation.
Retrain yourself not to use the ground, including not to use Mixer monsters in the normal way. Stores are even more important than usual. because they are the only places you can safely break Synthesis Pots. If by chance you are on a floor that has both a shop and Mixer monsters, you can lure them into the shop and kill them there to get mixed/crafted items out. (TODO: list Mixer floors here) If a monster always drop items, you can lure them into shops so you will not lose their drops.


If you've been dodging playing in night mode, you'll have to deal with it here for sure. It's best to unlock all your night abilities so you have the full set to choose from, then configure the best set of night abilities in Hotel Nekomaneki (NW desk), before attempting this dungeon. Honestly, you'll probably be able to beat the shorter 28F version of this dungeon without elaborate prep, but still, if you haven't overhauled your night abilities/techniques in a while, this is a good time to do so. [https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/106641-shiren-the-wanderer-the-tower-of-fortune-and-the-dice-of/76361578 This external webpage] has some suggestions for the ideal set of night abilities. See also the [[Shiren 5/Locations/Destiny's Descent|Destiny's Descent]] page for ideas.
Prepare a strong set of night abilities at Hotel Nekomaneki. [https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/106641-shiren-the-wanderer-the-tower-of-fortune-and-the-dice-of/76361578 This external webpage] has some suggestions for the ideal set of night abilities. See also the [[Shiren 5/Locations/Destiny's Descent|Destiny's Descent]] page for ideas.


You can find new items in this dungeon, so crafting some great ones (especially swords, shields, and bracelets) can radically improve your chances of beating the dungeon.  See [[Shiren 5/Creating New Items|Creating Better Items]] for details.
You can find new items in this dungeon, so crafting some great ones (especially swords, shields, and bracelets) can radically improve your chances of beating the dungeon.  See [[Shiren 5/Creating New Items|Creating Better Items]] for details.
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== Open Questions ==
== Open Questions ==
* What exactly are the differences between Heavenly Pot, Heal Pot, and Water Pot?  Are there any real advantages to bringing a Heavenly Pot into a dungeon that lets you take items in?
 
* Confirm that night monsters killing night monsters can cause items to drop safely on the ground.
* Confirm that night monsters killing night monsters can cause items to drop safely on the ground.
* Try to get a day monster to kill another day monster and see if that can cause an item to drop on the ground, too.
* Try to get a day monster to kill another day monster and see if that can cause an item to drop on the ground, too.<br />
 
 
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Key Parameters
Initial Goal Floor 28F
Final Goal Floor 99F
Day / Night Both
Bring Items In No
Take Items Out Yes
# of Allies 0
# of Rescues 3
Pre-ID'd Items Pots, Staves, and Talismans (confirm)
New Items Yes
Shops Normal (all 3 types)
Monster Houses Normal, including pop-ups
NPCs Shopkeepers + wandering non-allies (confirm)
Spawn Rate Normal (1 per 30 turns)
Winds of Kron Normal (slow) -- 1@1700, 4@2000

Heavenly Lake is a bonus dungeon in Shiren 5 in which items dropped on the ground disappear. You cannot take items, Gitan, or allies into the dungeon, but you can request rescue up to 3 times and you get to keep the items you have on hand if you win. This dungeon experiences both day and night. The initial goal floor is 28F, but after first victory, the goal floor becomes 99 F and stays there permanently.

Gaining Access

You must beat the Tower of Fortune before you can access this dungeon. Once you've beat the Tower of Fortune, you can access this dungeon by talking to an old man by a boat in the SE section of Nekomaneki Village. When you accept to play, you get a little video of Shiren and Koppa riding the boat up the river on the E side of Nekomaneki Village.

Unique Features

  • If an item is dropped, thrown, or swapped onto the ground, it disappears.
    • This includes missed projectiles, monster drops, and items emerging from a broken pot.
    • An important exception is shops. Items dropped inside shops will not disappear.
    • Items are pre-placed on the floor as normal.
  • There seems to also be an exception for items dropped when a monster kills another monster, at least at night.
    • Example: At night, a bunch of night monsters killed one another, then day broke. Then I found an item in a hallway, which means it couldn't possibly have been pre-placed there, nor could anything I have done put it there. I assume the only way that item could have gotten there is that night monsters fought one another and the loser dropped an item.
    • It's unknown if monsters that kill other monsters during the day can also drop items safely.
  • New items can appear in this dungeon.

Final Reward

Every time you beat the dungeon, you get a Heavenly Pot. This is the only way to obtain this item in single-player mode. The Heavenly Pot is effectively a reusable Heal Pot. You can refill it at the hot springs in Inori Village.

Farming Opportunities

There are no known farming opportunities in this dungeon, aside from the final reward item.

Strategies

Retrain yourself not to use the ground, including not to use Mixer monsters in the normal way. Stores are even more important than usual. because they are the only places you can safely break Synthesis Pots. If by chance you are on a floor that has both a shop and Mixer monsters, you can lure them into the shop and kill them there to get mixed/crafted items out. (TODO: list Mixer floors here) If a monster always drop items, you can lure them into shops so you will not lose their drops.

Prepare a strong set of night abilities at Hotel Nekomaneki. This external webpage has some suggestions for the ideal set of night abilities. See also the Destiny's Descent page for ideas.

You can find new items in this dungeon, so crafting some great ones (especially swords, shields, and bracelets) can radically improve your chances of beating the dungeon. See Creating Better Items for details.

Expert Badges

  1. You conquered a dungeon without equipping any weapons!
  2. You conquered a dungeon without using any grass!
  3. You conquered a dungeon without using any scrolls!
  4. You conquered a dungeon without using any staves!
  5. You conquered a dungeon without using any talismans!
  6. You conquered a dungeon without using any pots!
  7. You conquered a dungeon without collapsing even once!
  8. You conquered a dungeon without doing any direct attacks!

Monsters

The types of monsters that can appear in this dungeon have not yet been replicated to this wiki. Here are good external resources:

Open Questions

  • Confirm that night monsters killing night monsters can cause items to drop safely on the ground.
  • Try to get a day monster to kill another day monster and see if that can cause an item to drop on the ground, too.

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