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Key Parameters
Initial Goal Floor 42F
Final Goal Floor 99F (with special exits from 43F onward)
Day / Night Both
Bring Items In Yes
Take Items Out Yes
# of Allies 3
# of Rescues 3
Pre-ID'd Items All except swords, shields, bracelets
New Items Yes
Shops Normal (all 3 types)
Monster Houses Normal
NPCs Shopkeepers + wandering allies + wandering non-allies (confirm)
Spawn Rate Normal
Winds of Kron Normal (slow)

Inori Cave is a relatively easy and non-descript bonus dungeon in Shiren 5 which becomes available immediately after beating the main Tower of Fortune dungeon. The most noteworthy thing about this dungeon is that if you reach the bottom with all 7 catstones of different colors, you meet an old man who grants you a wish. You can take items, gitan, and up to 3 allies into this dungeon, and the monsters are not especially tough, all of which make it much easier than the majority of bonus dungeons, and you can keep the items/gitan you have on hand if you win. The dungeon experiences both day and night cycles. The initial goal floor is 42F. After initial victory, the goal floor becomes 99F, but there is still a way to complete the dungeon and get a wish while only needing to dive down to 43F.

Gaining Access

Beat the Tower of Fortune for the first time and look around Inori Village. This dungeon opens up at the back of the Beginner House in Inori Village.

Unique Features

There are no obvious major differences between the Tower of Fortune and this dungeon in terms of gameplay. Perhaps Mixer family monsters are more common and available on earlier floors, making it easier than in some bonus dungeons to synthesize equipment. The tilesets differ. The monsters are probably a bit tougher than those in the Tower of Fortune, but the difference is not so great as to leap out. But generally speaking, Inori Cave and Tower of Fortune seem to have the same item distribution (that is, mostly common stuff, with a big chunk of rare items just not appearing in either dungeon), and the same types of monsters at equivalent depths. New items can appear in Inori Cave.

The two big differences are (1) wishes as a final reward (see Final Reward section below for more info) and (2) Magic Circles. After you beat the dungeon the first time at 42F, and the goal floor now changes to 99F permanently, you can still get subsequent wishes while only needing to dive down to 43F. Every floor from 43F down to 99F has both one regular exit and one Magic Circle. A Magic Circle looks exactly like you'd expect with such a name: an ornate circle that looks like it was drawn with magic white chalk. A Magic Circle works like a staircase except it takes you directly to the end no matter what floor you're on. If you use a Magic Circle, you are teleported directly to the Room of Joy, you can make your wish, and you exit the dungeon with a victory. [CONFIRM] It is unknown if you can get expert badges if you use a Magic Circle. [/CONFIRM]

Final Reward

If you beat the dungeon with all 7 catstones of different colors (red, orange, yellow, green, blue, indigo, and purple—close to ROYGBIV but they chose "purple" for the 7th color rather than "violet"), you reach the Room of Joy and meet a Hermit who calls himself the Happiness Prince. You lose the 7 catstones out of your inventory (you don't have a choice about this) and the Happiness Prince grants you one wish out of a set of wishes. (This information was originally compiled from here and here.)

Wish Meaning Notes
I wish for an unstoppable weapon. Get a Kaburagi Sword. The only known way to get this item in single player mode. Needed to max out the Item Book.
I wish for an invincible shield. Get a Helix Shield. The only known way to get this item in single player mode. Needed to max out the Item Book.
I wish to be totally blessed. Bless all items in main inventory. A waste of a wish. There are many faster/easier ways to bless all your items.
I wish to learn the ultimate ability. Learn the Transmogrification ability. The only way to get this ability. Needed to 100% complete the game. You can only wish for this once.
I wish to play a tougher dungeon. Unlock Destiny's Descent. The only way to unlock this bonus dungeon. Needed to 100% complete the game. You can only wish for this once.
I wish to be popular with girls. Get a Shrine Maid Pot. Don't leave Nekomaneki Village before getting this! From a girl in NW-most house. Needed for 100%.
I wish to be popular with guys. Get 9-10 David's Bullets. Don't leave Nekomaneki Village before getting this! From "Guy" wandering by Points shop entrance. Needed for 100%.
I wish that I was rich. Get 999,999 gitan. A waste of a wish. There are many faster/easier ways to get lots of money.
I wish to fight the Reeva Statue. Fight the Reeva Statue. A waste of a wish. Doing this fight again doesn't add anything.
I wish to fight Gendolucika. Fight Gendolucika. A waste of a wish. Doing this fight again doesn't add anything. Only available after you beat him the 1st time on the Old Road.
I wish to fight Jack Wand monsters. Fight 1 of the 7 Jack Wand monsters. The only known way to fight these monsters in single player mode. Need to beat all 7 to max out the Monster Book.
I wish for the ability to fly. Get a Floating Bracelet. This item is extremely rare in single player mode. Wishing for it may be fastest way to get it. Needed to max out the Item Book.
I don't wish for anything. Get a Night Ward. The only known way to get this item in single player mode. Needed to max out the Item Book.

Note that several of these wishes are the only known ways (in single-player mode) to do certain rare things necessary to max out your Item Book and Monster Book and thus they are necessary for PSVita trophies and to 100% complete the game. And even though it is possible to find a Floating Bracelet in certain dungeons (Rousing Paradise is confirmed), they are so rare that it's easier and faster to wish for one here even though it takes a hefty amount of grinding to do so. It is also possible to get some of these things by leveraging multiplayer features such as item trades and co-op dungeons. This forum post and this forum post have more information. Players wanting to 100% complete this game may need to make a whopping 14 wishes (15 if you also need the Floating Bracelet). Defeating the dungeon 14+ times isn't so hard once you have strong gear, but collecting 14+ sets of catstones is no quick feat. (And if you want to collect enough of these rare items to replicate them in a Fever Pot, you'll need substantially more wishes.) But at least you don't need to dive all the way down to 99F to make a wish, even when the goal floor changes to 99F permanently after your first victory, as Magic Circles appear on every floor from 43F onward.

If you reach the bottom without all 7 different catstones, you don't lose any of your catstones, the Happiness Prince gives you a common item (so far, it seems to always be an Undo Grass), and you exit the dungeon with a victory.

Farming Opportunities

This is a good place to hunt for night monsters to flesh out your Monster Book. See the Monsters section below for more info.

This is the best location known so far to farm out Fever Pots. You can occasionally find them for sale on shops in the ~20s floor range. They may also appear as pre-placed items outside of shops, though this needs confirmation. They also seem to appear in both elite shops and Pick-A-Choice shops more frequently here than in any other dungeon. Bringing in appropriate materials to (ab)use a Pick-A-Choice shop is the fastest way known way to farm large numbers of Fever Pots. See the Strategies section below for details on how to (ab)use a Pick-A-Choice shop. In addition to Fever Pots, you can find a fair variety of other rare and valuable items this way. [TODO: document more of the specific items you can find.] (Another candidate for a fast way to get Fever Pots is the Lots Game in the basement of the Nekomaneki Village hotel. This would entail a massive and mind-numbingly boring amount of repeated clicking, not to mention lots of cash, and may not be worth the damage to your PSVita device!)

Final rewards aren't typically counted as farming opportunities, as you normally need to complete the entire dungeon and only get at most one reward item per run, plus dungeons typically have exactly one reward item but may have zero or many farming opportunities. But here, the dungeon is easy enough to beat, and you don't need to go all the way to the bottom, and the rewards you can get are so rare and valuable that the final rewards could be considered farming opportunities. Wishing may be the only way (in single player mode) to get the Kaburagi Sword, Helix Shield, and Night Ward (bracelet), and it's certainly the easiest way to get the Floating Bracelet as well. See the Final Reward and Strategies sections of this page for more details.

Strategies

This dungeon is pretty trivial given you can take equipment in with you. Just make sure to take in great equipment and some emergency supplies (such as at least one Undo Herb) and you should be fine. See the Crafting pages under the Strategies section for more information on creating and enhancing great equipment before you go into the dungeon.

If your goal is to flesh out entries in your monster book or to get an expert badge (or just to win the hard way), you'll likely have to go deep into the dungeon or all the way down to 99F. The dungeon has both day and night cycles, so look for tips about both daytime play and nighttime play in the Strategies section. But overall, if you're properly prepared with equipment and night time techniques/abilities, you shouldn't have much problem beating this dungeon.

If your goal is to get your wish as quickly and safely as possible, look for the first Magic Circle on 43F and use it. The dungeon isn't particularly dangerous, but you do need to protect your 7 catstones long enough to reach the Room of Joy, and things can go wrong (e.g. catstones turned to onigiri, or parried away via Field Knave weed attack and lost). On the other hand, there are reasons you might want to take the long way down and use the staircases to beat the dungeon, such as getting a higher score, hunting for hard-to-find monsters to complete your Monster Book (apparently there are some found deep in this dungeon that are hard to find elsewhere but they haven't been documented yet), or completing one or more expert badges (which you don't get if you use a Magic Circle—confirm). Decide what your goal is before entering and outfit accordingly. If you're not going for a wish, don't risk taking your catstones in, and you'll be glad to have 7 more inventory spots available.

The 2nd hardest thing about going for a wish is needing to carry 7 dead weight items with you. Catstones can't be placed inside pots, nor can they be blessed to protect against onigiri attack. If you've created buff equipment beforehand, you really don't need to carry much with you, but it never hurts to have other decent consumables at the ready so you can deal with (e.g.) beginning a new floor surrounded by monsters in a monster house. You can easily fill up your inventory with mildly useful consumables along the way down, rather than preparing them in advance before you enter the dungeon. If you're missing some runes on your main equipment, you'll find Mixer monsters around ~20F, and if you have nothing better to do with them, you can also use them to merge staves and thus carry more magic charges in fewer inventory spots.

The hardest or at least most grindy party about going for a wish by far is collecting a full set of catstones. Here are all the known ways to collect catstones:

  1. Buy them from the raccoon business partners: Talk to the raccoon NPC just south of the stairs on the top floor of the Nekomaneki Village hotel. He'll tell you where his business partner is selling catstones, which is usually somewhere in the Tower of Fortune but can be in other dungeons as well. Reach the right floor in the right dungeon and search the floor until you find the wandering raccoon NPC. You'll need 3,000 gitan to buy the catstone, you can only buy one, it will be a random color, and you won't be able to tell what color it is before buying it. If it's in a location that lets you take items in, consider taking an Escape Scroll in with you so you can return immediately after buying the catstone and start working on the next one. (And of course, if you've ever read an Escape Scroll, you can use a Blank Scroll instead, which can be purchased for 200 points in the Points Shop.) Once you get the catstone, or if you don't get it within ~3 runs, the wandering vendor will move to a new location. So if the wandering vendor's current location is particularly painful, consider just burning several runs as fast as you can to force the vendor to move to a new location. One relatively quick way to burn runs is to take the Sparrow Transport to Sparrow's Inn and rush to the end of the Tower of Fortune. It's unknown if entering a dungeon then using an Escape Scroll counts. This method can be fast to collect a single catstone, if the vendor is in the Tower of Fortune, but it's a slow way to collect multiple catstones compared to all the other methods.
  2. Buy them from elite shops: Elite shops (aka special shops, aka VIP shops) appear in most dungeons about 10% - 33% as often as regular shops. Elite shops always carry 6 higher-end items. The dungeon in which the elite shop is located influences what possible items can appear in the elite shop. (Working theory is that a dungeon defines an item drop table, both for common and higher-end items, and the higher-end items can appear in many places such as elite shops, Pick-A-Choice shops, under shiny ground that requires 9+ STR to dig up (but not under shiny ground that only requires 8+ STR to dig up), and possibly in other special places as well.) Catstones count as higher-end items, or at least they seem to have a chance to appear in elite shops in any dungeon. Elite shops in Lost Well and Inori Cave can definitely have catstones. Lost Well seems to be a particularly good place to find catstones in elite shops, as the item drop table is narrower than in other dungeons, so catstones seem to come up more often. Elite shops don't always carry any catstones, but theoretically all 6 items could be catstones, and players have reported finding 4 catstones in a single elite shop before. Elite shops block the player from getting in unless they present a Recommendation Letter or they are wearing a VIP Bracelet. (Of course, if you've ever read and thus wasted a Recommendation Letter, you can write one yourself on a Blank Scroll, and you can create a new item bracelet with the VIP effect on it as well. It's always good to carry at least a few Blank Scrolls into any dungeon that lets you take items in, and in this case, it means you don't need to waste an inventory space carrying around a Recommendation Letter that may never get used given how rarely elite shops appear.) Elite shops aren't cheap either. Catstones sell for 8,000 gitans each in elite shops, but at least you can see what color they are before buying them, and of course the shop may carry other great items that you'd like to buy. If you're hunting for catstones in elite shops, consider taking 100K gitans into the dungeon with you. If the catstones for sale aren't the color you were hoping for, you should probably buy them anyway, as you'll need a ton of them to complete all the wishes if you plan to 100% the game. Note that it is possible to break into an elite shop and steal the catstonese and other valuables. Details of theft are out of scope for this wiki page. [TODO: link to a good strategy page on theft.] But for elite shops, you'll need to find a way either to get past the shopkeeper (who acts like a roadblock into the shop's only entrance), or dig or wall clip through the walls, and just getting inside the shop without authorization triggers you as a thief even if you don't steal any items. You also normally can't see the contents of the shop before you decide to enter, as the shop is apparently covered by destructible walls, though it may be possible to find a way to peek at the inventory without triggering the alarm.
  3. (Ab)use Pick-A-Choice shops: This external link has information about multiple catstone collection techniques including this one. Pick-A-Choice shops are another special shop like elite shops. They are normally at least as rare as elite shops and possibly more rare, but if you can find other types of shops in a given dungeon, you can probably eventually find Pick-A-Choice shops there as well. Pick-A-Choice shops are very small, have no items for sale on the ground, the shopkeeper won't buy, tag, or identify items, and scrolls that interact with shops such as Coupon Scrolls won't avail you here either. The shop always has a single entrance on the south wall, but is otherwise surrounded by special indestructible walls. There are two arrows facing north, one on the left side of the shop and one on the right. These arrows act like flying floors in the Tower of Fortune, causing you to fly you over open air in the direction of the arrow until you land somewhere. Both arrows lead up to a tiny 1x3 room with no normal exits that is invisible on your map, even if you've used a Navigation Scroll. When you pay the proprietor 1,000 gitans, he resets the game such that one of the landing spots will have a valuable item on it, and the other landing spot will have a Pitfall Trap that always triggers. If you had explored this tiny room by winning the game previously, resetting the game erases the little room from your map (confirm) and it may also swap where the valuable item and Pitfall Trap are located. The space between both landing spots always has a Spring Trap, and this Spring Trap also always triggers. So, if you choose correctly, you can get a random but valuable item for a mere 1,000 gitans, then use the Spring Trap to warp elsewhere on the floor, then if you want, come back to the Pick-A-Choice Shop and try your luck again. If you choose the wrong path, however, you'll land on the Pitfall Trap and immediately fall to the next floor. Even if there was no way to abuse this shop, 1,000 gitans for a 50-50 chance at a valuable items is an amazing deal. If there's no compelling reason not to do so, finish up everything else you want to do on the floor, then play this game as often as you can to get as many valuable items as you can before you hit the Pitfall Trap. But there is one known way to abuse this type of shop in dungeons that let you take items in to farm large numbers of rare items out, including catstones, and there may be other methods as well. The confirmed method is to simply pay the proprietor to start the game then use a Collection Scroll to draw all items on the floor to your location, including the prize item. This can be annoying if there are loads of worthless items lying on the floor, but you can destroy unwanted items by throwing them up the left or right Pick-A-Choice paths. (There is nowhere for the item to land, so it "lands" on void and is lost/destroyed. It's possible that swords and shields destroyed this way could turn up on the fields of Inori Village later.) You can enhance this method by also bringing in a 5-spot Blessing Pot filled with Collection Scrolls and several more 5-spot Preservation Pots filled with Extraction Scrolls. (And of course, you can use Blank Scrolls in place of any other scroll that you've read at least once before, and, you can buy Blank Scrolls for a mere 200 points in the Points Shop back in Nekomaneki Village.) Basically, fill the Blessing Pot with Collection Scrolls, then use an Extraction Scroll on the Blessing Pot to get the contents out without breaking the pot. When you read the blessed Collection Scroll, it will lose its blessing but not disappear. Just put it back into the Blessing Pot to give it another blessing. Once your Blessing Pot is full again and you have no more blessed Collection Scrolls to use, use another Extraction Scroll on the Blessing Pot and repeat. Using this technique, 10 Blank Scrolls and a 5-spot Blessing Pot can serve as 25 Collection Scrolls—and you'd still have a Blessing Pot filled with 5x Collection Scrolls at the end! Or you could break the pot the last time and get a total of 35 Collection Scroll uses out of those initial 10 Blank Scrolls! This is much more efficient than just writing on Blank Scrolls and reading them directly. (Reading a blessed Extraction Scroll will cause the scroll to disappear, not just lose it's blessing, to prevent the possibility of getting an infinite benefit out of Extraction Scrolls and Blessing Pots, but at least any items you extract from a pot via a blessed Extraction Scroll will become blessed as they are extracted.) Note that if you're going to carry so much stuff into any dungeon, it's worth it to spend a bit more money/points to bless all your pots, as blessed items can resist being sealed or turned into onigiri by monsters or traps. Likewise, it's a good idea to carry a blessed Balance Staff in your main inventory to avoid the possibility of tripping on a Trip Trap and breaking your Blessing Pot. Don't forget to also take in ~100K gitans for all the times you'll play the game. You won't always get a catstone out every time you play of course, so if you get something you don't want you can either pay the shopkeeper to reset the game before you pick up the item, or just throw the item up one of the void paths in the shop to get rid of it. Here are some other possible ways that might work to abuse a Pick-A-Choice shop:
    1. No one has yet documented what happens if you try wearing a Floating Bracelet to avoid triggering the Pitfall Trap. Odds are this doesn't work, as these seem to be "devices" that always trigger rather than normal traps, but it's worth testing. Alternatively, perhaps you could Float over the arrow and up the void corridors and see what's in the tiny room before being launched into it.
    2. The little arrows don't seem to trigger when the game is over. Maybe when the game is over, you could try Floating over the arrow, then talking to the shopkeeper to reset the game? If this does work and you're in the wrong corridor, you could theoretically remove your Floating Bracelet to "land" on a void tile and thus teleport somewhere else.
    3. Reading a Navigation Scroll or using a Scout Bracelet doesn't seem to show you where the hidden prize item is located, even if you do it immediately after resetting the game. (This is worth re-testing to confirm.)
    4. The walls around the shop are undiggable, so you can't dig a new entrance to the prize room.
    5. IIRC, you can't wall clip through indestructible walls either, but it's worth re-testing to confirm.
    6. If anyone can think of other possible ways to get the prize out safely, please document them here!
  4. Dig them out of the walls of Lost Well: So far, the only dungeon that seems to have items buried under the walls is Lost Well, though no one has exhaustively checked all the other dungeons. (These are of course normal diggable walls, not special destructible walls or special indestrucible walls.) It is definitely not worthwhile to dig randomly to try to find them, but if you have the proper equipment to find and retrieve them, there are on average ~4 buried items per floor in Lost Well. The best way to find them is a Scout Bracelet or Item Detector bracelet, or an equivalent effect merged onto a new item bracelet. The best way to retrieve them is with a Wonder Pick or the Max Wall Dig rune on your main weapon (which comes from synthesizing a Wonder Pick onto your main weapon). In a pinch, you can dig via a Rusty Pickaxe, Boring Staff, or give a Rusty Pickaxe to the wandering NPC Digger Don who likes to dig, but those methods consume the items in question and thus don't scale across many floors. Regardless of how you dig, ~99% of buried items are the same kinds of items you can find pre-placed on the floors of Lost Well, meaning, largely worthless. The other ~1% of the time, the buried items are catstones. So, if you were to dig out all the buried items in a full 99F run of Lost Well, you'd get ~4 catstones. It's unclear if this is more or less efficient than chasing single catstones from the raccoon NPCs, but you can easily use this trick in combination with hunting for catstones in elite shops. This post may have more info. You can also use a Collection Scroll to gather buried items (confirm), though it's expensive to do this for every floor. (Note: It's unclear to what extent the community has tried looking for rare loot in the walls of other dungeons, so it's possible there might be catstones in the walls of many dungeons. For example, I once gave Digger Don a Rusty Pickaxe when I first entered Tower of the Present 7F. By the time I was ready to leave, he had uncovered 2 buried catstones and several other items. I did not have a Scout Bracelet at the time so it's not clear if these items were pre-placed or if Digger Don has a special ability to create items as he digs. It's worth further investigation.)

So there are a fair number of ways to get catstones, but where's the best place to try? Lost Well seems to be the best location for the following reasons:

  • Methods 2-4 listed above all work in Lost Well.
  • Method 1 may also work in Lost Well, but even if it doesn't, it's the least useful and slowest way to collect catstones in bulk.
  • You can take items into Lost Well, which means you can prepare to take maximum advantage of all methods on a single run.
  • Both types of specialty shops appear with normal frequency in Lost Well.
  • There are no known locations that both let you take items in and that have these specialty shops at a higher frequency.
  • The item drop table is narrower in Lost Well than in any of the other candidate locations that let you take items in, so catstones appear more frequently here than in the other locations.
  • The Winds of Kron are normal (aka slow) in Lost Well, so if you do find a Pick-A-Choice shop, you can play it basically as many times as you want to on a single floor.
  • Lost Well is also one of the best locations to collect points, and you'll likely need tons of points for Blank Scrolls, e.g. to maximize Pick-A-Choice shops.

You can get catstones in many places, but Lost Well seems the clear favorite for collecting them in bulk as fast as possible. Empirically, using methods 2-4 (or sometimes just methods 2 and 3), I've been able to fill up on all the catstones I could carry before reaching the bottom of Lost Well on multiple occasions. A full load of catstones is ~10 given all the other items you need to carry in to maximize collection of catstones. If you find a Pick-A-Choice shop and you have enough cash on you, you can play until you get as many catstones as you want. Or sometimes you fill up on catstones from elite shops and buried items before you find a Pick-A-Choice shop. (Pick-A-Choice shops seem to appear ~1% of the time on any given floor of Lost Well, which seems pretty normal for other locations as well. So you'll average finding one such shop on a full 99F run, which also means some runs will have no Pick-A-Choice shop on any floor.) Alternatively, if you're looking for multiple rare/valuable items not just catstones, elite and Pick-A-Choice shops in other locations such as Inori Cave or Merchant's Hideout may be better choices.

[TODO: consider moving the catstone information onto a page dedicated to catstones, and the Pick-A-Choice Shop information onto a page dedicated to unusual rooms in general or Pick-A-Choice Shops specifically, and link to those pages from here.]

Expert Badges

  1. You conquered a dungeon without using any grass!
  2. You conquered a dungeon without using any scrolls!
  3. You conquered a dungeon without using any staves!
  4. You conquered a dungeon without using any talismans!
  5. You conquered a dungeon without using any pots!
  6. You conquered a dungeon without collapsing even once!
  7. You conquered a dungeon with 3 allies!
  8. You conquered a dungeon without doing any direct attacks!

Monsters

The types of monsters that can appear in this dungeon have not yet been replicated to this wiki. Here are good external resources:

Open Questions

  • Can you get an expert badge if you use a Magic Circle?
  • Can you wall clip through the walls around a Pick-A-Choice shop to get the prize that way?
  • Can you use a Navigation Scroll or Scout Bracelet after starting the Pick-A-Choice game to see where the prize is that way?
  • Can you use a Floating Bracelet to avoid triggering the traps in a Pick-A-Choice shop?
  • Can you float over the arrows in a Pick-A-Choice shop while the game is not active, and does this help you in any way?
  • Can you find a Night Ward anywhere else without wishing for it? What about the other rare items, can any of them be found anywhere else?