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== Open Questions == | == Open Questions == | ||
* Can you get an expert badge if you use a Magic Circle? | |||
* Can you wall clip through the walls around a Pick-A-Choice shop to get the prize that way? | |||
* Can you use a Navigation Scroll or Scout Bracelet after starting the Pick-A-Choice game to see where the prize is that way? | |||
* Can you use a Floating Bracelet to avoid triggering the traps in a Pick-A-Choice shop? | |||
* Can you find a Night Ward anywhere else without wishing for it? What about the other rare items, can any of them be found anywhere else? |
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Key Parameters | |
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Initial Goal Floor | 42F |
Final Goal Floor | 99F (with special exits from 43F onward) |
Day / Night | Both |
Bring Items In | Yes |
Take Items Out | Yes |
# of Allies | 3 |
# of Rescues | 3 |
Pre-ID'd Items | All except swords, shields, bracelets |
New Items | Yes |
Shops | Normal (all 3 types) |
Monster Houses | Normal |
NPCs | Shopkeepers + wandering allies + wandering non-allies (confirm) |
Spawn Rate | Normal |
Winds of Kron | Normal (slow) |
Inori Cave is a relatively easy and non-descript bonus dungeon in Shiren 5 which becomes available immediately after beating the main Tower of Fortune dungeon. The most noteworthy thing about this dungeon is that if you reach the bottom with all 7 catstones of different colors, you meet an old man who grants you a wish. You can take items, gitan, and up to 3 allies into this dungeon, and the monsters are not especially tough, all of which make it much easier than the majority of bonus dungeons, and you can keep the items/gitan you have on hand if you win. The dungeon experiences both day and night cycles. The initial goal floor is 42F. After initial victory, the goal floor becomes 99F, but there is still a way to complete the dungeon and get a wish while only needing to dive down to 43F.
Gaining Access
Beat the Tower of Fortune for the first time and look around Inori Village. This dungeon opens up at the back of the Beginner House in Inori Village.
Unique Features
There are no obvious major differences between the Tower of Fortune and this dungeon in terms of gameplay. Perhaps Mixer family monsters are more common and available on earlier floors, making it easier than in some bonus dungeons to synthesize equipment. The tilesets differ. The monsters are probably a bit tougher than those in the Tower of Fortune, but the difference is not so great as to leap out. But generally speaking, Inori Cave and Tower of Fortune seem to have the same item distribution (that is, mostly common stuff, with a big chunk of rare items just not appearing in either dungeon), and the same types of monsters at equivalent depths. New items can appear in Inori Cave.
The two big differences are (1) wishes as a final reward (see Final Reward section below for more info) and (2) Magic Circles. After you beat the dungeon the first time at 42F, and the goal floor now changes to 99F permanently, you can still get subsequent wishes while only needing to dive down to 43F. Every floor from 43F down to 99F has both one regular exit and one Magic Circle. A Magic Circle looks exactly like you'd expect with such a name: an ornate circle that looks like it was drawn with magic white chalk. A Magic Circle works like a staircase except it takes you directly to the end no matter what floor you're on. If you use a Magic Circle, you are teleported directly to the Room of Joy, you can make your wish, and you exit the dungeon with a victory. [CONFIRM] It is unknown if you can get expert badges if you use a Magic Circle. [/CONFIRM]
Final Reward
If you beat the dungeon with all 7 catstones of different colors (red, orange, yellow, green, blue, indigo, and purple -- close to ROYGBIV but they chose "purple" for the 7th color rather than "violet"), you reach the Room of Joy and meet a Hermit who calls himself the Happiness Prince. You lose the 7 catstones out of your inventory (you don't have a choice about this) and the Happiness Prince grants you one wish out of a set of wishes. (This information was originally compiled from here and here.)
Wish | Meaning | Notes |
I wish for an unstoppable weapon. | Get a Kaburagi Sword. | The only known way to get this great sword in single player mode. Needed to max out the Item Book. |
I wish for an invincible shield. | Get a Helix Shield. | The only known way to get this great shield in single player mode. Needed to max out the Item Book. |
I wish to be totally blessed. | Bless all items in main inventory. | A waste of a wish. There are many faster/easier ways to bless all your items. |
I wish to learn the ultimate ability. | Learn the Transmogrification ability. | The only way to get this ability. Needed to 100% complete the game. You can only wish for this once. |
I wish to play a tougher dungeon. | Unlock Destiny's Descent. | The only way to unlock this bonus dungeon. Needed to 100% complete the game. You can only wish for this once. |
I wish to be popular with girls. | Get a Shrine Maid Pot. | Don't leave Nekomaneki Village before getting this! From a girl in NW-most house. Needed for 100%. |
I wish to be popular with guys. | Get 9-10 David's Bullets. | Don't leave Nekomaneki Village before getting this! From "Guy" wandering by Points shop entrance. Needed for 100%. |
I wish that I was rich. | Get 999,999 gitan. | A waste of a wish. There are many faster/easier ways to get lots of money. |
I wish to fight the Reeva Statue. | Fight the Reeva Statue. | A waste of a wish. Doing this fight again doesn't add anything. |
I wish to fight Gendolucika. | Fight Gendolucika. | A waste of a wish. Doing this fight again doesn't add anything. Only available after you beat him the 1st time on the Old Road. |
I wish to fight Jack Wand monsters. | Fight 1 of the 7 Jack Wand monsters. | The only known way to fight these monsters in single player mode. Needed to beat all 7 to max out the Monster Book. |
I wish for the ability to fly. | Get a Floating Bracelet. | These are extremely rare in single player mode. Needed to max out the Item Book. |
I don't wish for anything. | Get a Night Ward. | The only known way to get this great bracelet in single player mode. Needed to max out the Item Book. |
Note that several of these wishes are the only known ways (in single-player mode) to get certain rare items and rare monsters necessary to max out your Item Book and Monster Book. And even though it is possible to find a Floating Bracelet in certain dungeons (Rousing Paradise is confirmed), it's much easier and faster just to wish for one here. It is also possible to get some of these things by leveraging multiplayer features such as item trades. This forum post and this forum post have more information. Players wanting to 100% complete this game may need to defeat this dungeon multiple times and make several different wishes. But at least you don't need to dive all the way down to 99F to get wishes, even when the goal floor changes to 99F permanently after your first victory.
If you reach the bottom without all 7 different catstones, you don't lose any of your catstones, the Happiness Prince gives you a common item (it may always be an Undo Grass, as that's the only one players have reported seeing), and you exit the dungeon with a victory.
Farming Opportunities
Strategies
This dungeon is pretty trivial given you can take equipment in with you. Just make sure to take in great equipment and some emergency supplies (such as at least one Undo Herb) and you should be fine. See the Crafting pages under the Strategies section for more information on creating and enhancing great equipment.
If your goal is to get your wish as quickly and safely as possible, look for the first Magic Circle on 43F and use it. The dungeon isn't particularly dangerous, but you do need to protect your 7 catstones long enough to reach the Room of Joy, and things can go wrong (e.g. catstones turned to onigiri, or parried away via Field Knave weed attack and lost). On the other hand, there are reasons you might want to take the long way down and use the staircases to beat the dungeon, such as getting a higher score, hunting for hard-to-find monsters to complete your Monster Book (apparently there are some found deep in this dungeon that are hard to find elsewhere but they haven't been documented yet), or completing one or more expert badges (which you don't get if you use a Magic Circle -- confirm). Decide what your goal is before entering and outfit accordingly. If you're not going for a wish, don't risk taking your catstones in, and you'll be glad to have 7 more inventory spots available.
The 2nd hardest thing about going for a wish is needing to carry 7 dead weight items with you. Catstones can't be placed inside pots, nor can they be blessed to protect against onigiri attack. If you've created buff equipment beforehand, you really don't need to carry much with you, but it never hurts to have other decent consumables at the ready so you can deal with (e.g.) beginning a new floor surrounded by monsters in a monster house. You can easily fill up your inventory with mildly useful consumables along the way down, rather than preparing them in advance before you enter the dungeon. If you're missing some runes on your main equipment, you'll find Mixer monsters around ~20F, and if you have nothing better to do with them, you can also use them to merge staves and thus carry more magic charges in fewer inventory spots.
The hardest or at least most grindy party about going for a wish by far is collecting a full set of catstones. Here are some tips:
- One way to get a catstone is to talk to the raccoon NPC just south of the stairs on the top floor of the Nekomaneki Village hotel. He'll tell you where his partner is selling catstones, which is usually somewhere in the Tower of Fortune but can be in other dungeons as well. You'll need to reach the right floor in the right dungeon and search the floor until you find the wandering raccoon NPC. You'll need 3,000 gitan to buy the catstone, you can only buy one, it will be a random color, and you won't be able to tell what color it is before buying it. If it's in a location that lets you take items in, consider taking an Escape Scroll in with you so you can return immediately after getting the catstone and start working on the next one by again talking to the raccoon in the hotel. (And of course, if you've ever read an Escape Scroll, you can use a Blank Scroll instead, which can always be purchased for 200 points in the Points Shop.) If you got the catstone, or if you don't get it within ~3 runs, the vendor will move to a new location. So if the current location is particularly painful, consider just burning several runs as fast as you can to force the vendor to move to a new location. One relatively quick way to burn runs is to take the Sparrow Transport to Sparrow's Inn and rush to the end of the Tower of Fortune. It's unknown if entering a dungeon then using an Escape Scroll counts. Of all the methods of collecting catstones, this may be the single slowest.
- Catstones are often sold in elite shops aka special shops aka VIP shops. Elite shops can be found in most bonus dungeons, including Lost Well and Inori Cave. Dungeons can influence what items appear in shops and elite shops, but the elite shops in Lost Well and Inori Cave definitely sell catstones with relatively high frequency. Of course, that being said, elite shops are themselves rare, appearing only about 10% to 25% as often as regular shops, which are themselves not very common. You'll also need a Recommendation Letter or VIP Bracelet to get into elite shops, and of course, if you've ever read (and thus wasted) a Recommendation Letter, you can write your own on a Blank Scroll. (It's always a good idea to carry at least a few Blank Scrolls with you into any dungeon where you can take items in, and thus, you don't need to spend an extra inventory item spot on a Recommendation Letter, provided you don't waste all your Blank Scrolls.) Elite shops aren't cheap either; I suggest bringing 100K gitans with you into the dungeon to be on the safe side. Catstones are sold for 8,000 gitans each in elite shops, but at least you can see what color they are before buying them, and each elite shop carries 6 more valuable items any or all of which can be catstones. (The most I've ever seen in a single elite shop is 4, and the least I've ever seen is 0.) But don't be too picky about the color of the catstones for sale. If you plan to 100% this game, and if you're not able to find another player who will give you rare items via the multiplayer mechanisms supported by this game, you'll need to complete at least 15 wishes -- yikes! (If you manage to find a Floating Bracelet in another dungeon, you can drop that down to only 14 wishes, but they are so rare that a wish may be faster than finding one!) It is also possible to break into an elite store and steal the catstones and other valuables, though details of theft are out of scope for this wiki page. [TODO: link to good page on theft.] Empirically, I've been able to fill up on all the catstones I could carry (I stop after getting ~10 because I tend to carry so many other things) before reaching the bottom of Lost Well on multiple occasions, where most of the catstones came from purchasing them from elite shops and the rest came from the next two tricks. If you just need a single catstone of any color as quickly as possible, and if the vendor mentioned in the above trick happens to be located in the Tower of Fortune, that method is probably the fastest way to get a single catstone. But this method is definitely a faster way to get multiple catstones.
- There are hidden items buried under the walls of the Lost Well dungeon. Buried items have never been reported in any other dungeon. It is definitely not worthwhile to dig randomly to try to find them, but if you have the proper equipment to find and retrieve them, there are on average ~4 buried items per floor. The best way to find them is a Scout Bracelet or Item Detector bracelet, or an equivalent effect merged onto a new item bracelet. The best way to retrieve them is with a Wonder Pick or the Max Wall Dig rune on your main weapon (which comes from synthesizing a Wonder Pick onto your main weapon). In a pinch, you can dig via a Rusty Pickaxe, Boring Staff, or give a Rusty Pickaxe to the wandering NPC Digger Don who likes to dig, but those methods consume the items in question and thus don't scale across many floors. Regardless, ~99% of buried items are the same kinds of items you can find pre-placed on the floors of Lost Well, meaning, largely worthless. The other ~1% of the time, the buried items are catstones. So, if you were to dig out all the buried items in a full 99F run of Lost Well, you'd get ~4 catstones. It's unclear if this is more or less efficient than chasing single catstones from the raccoon NPCs, but you can easily use this trick in combination with hunting for catstones in elite shops. This post may have more info. (Note: It's unclear to what extent the community has tried looking for rare loot in the walls of other dungeons, so it's possible there might be catstones in the walls of many dungeons. For example, I once gave Digger Don a Rusty Pickaxe when I first entered Tower of the Present 7F. By the time I was ready to leave, he had uncovered 2 buried catstones among several other items. I did not have a Scout Bracelet at the time so it's not clear if these items were pre-placed or if Digger Don has a special ability to create them. It's worth further investigation.)
- The above external link also mentions another fast way to get a large number of catstones, which is to (ab)use Pick-A-Choice Shops. Pick-A-Choice Shops can be found in multiple dungeons, but the post specifically recommends doing this in Lost Well, probably because Lost Well is also a fantastic place to leverage the previous two catstone-finding tricks, and, it's a great place to rack up points on your Points Card to boot. (Lost Well also seems to have a smaller item table, so abusing a Pick-A-Choice shop here might generate catstones faster than in other dungeons.) Note that Pick-A-Choice shops are at least as rare as elite shops and possibly more rare. A Pick-A-Choice Shop is very small, has no items for sale on the ground, and has a single entrance on the south wall. There are also two arrows leading up, one on the left and one on the right. These arrows act like flying floors in the Tower of Fortune, causing you to fly you over open air in the direction of the arrow until you land somewhere. They both lead to a tiny 1x3 room that is invisible on your map, even if you use a Navigation Scroll. When you pay the proprietor 1,000 gitans, he resets the game, such that one of the landing spots will have a rare item on it, and the other landing spot will have a Pitfall Trap that always triggers. If you had previously explored this tiny room via a successful choice, it is erased from your map (confirm). The space connecting both landing spots always has a Spring Trap, and this Spring Trap always triggers. So, if you choose correctly, you can get a random but rare item for a mere 1,000 gitans, then use the Spring Trap to warp elsewhere on the level, then if you want, come back to the Pick-A-Choice Shop and try your luck again. If you choose the wrong path, however, you'll land on the Pitfall Trap and immediately fall down one floor. Even if there was no way to abuse this shop, it's an amazing deal, you might as well do it as often as you can when you've finished doing everything else you want to do on that floor and thus don't mind hitting a Pitfall Trap. But there is one known way to abuse the shop to farm for large numbers of rare items including catstones, and there may be other methods as well. The confirmed method is to simply pay the proprietor to start the game then use a Collection Scroll to draw all items on the floor to your location. The Lost Well bonus dungeon is a particularly great place to get bonus points on your card, but a particularly poor place in terms of items, so you can easily dispose of the few lame items that were placed elsewhere on the floor then your Collection Scroll won't crowd you with items, you'll just get the one rare item from the shop under your feet. You can enhance this method by bringing in a 5-spot Blessing Pot filled with Collection Scrolls and several more 5-spot Preservation Pots filled with Extraction Scrolls. (And of course, you can use Blank Scrolls in place of any other scroll that you've read at least once before, and, you can buy Blank Scrolls for a mere 200 points in the Points Shop back in Nekomaneki Village, and, Lost Well is a great place to collect more points, so it all works together nicely.) Basically, fill the Blessing Pot with Collection Scrolls, then use an Extraction Scroll on the Blessing Pot to get the contents out without breaking the pot. When you read the blessed Collection Scroll, it will lose its blessing but not disappear. Just put it back into the Blessing Pot to give it another blessing. Once your Blessing Pot is full again and you have no more blessed Collection Scrolls to use, use another Extraction Scroll on the Blessing Pot and repeat. Using this technique, 10 Blank Scrolls and a 5-spot Blessing Pot can act as 25 Collection Scrolls -- and you'd still have a Blessing Pot filled with 5x Collection Scrolls at the end! Or you could break the pot the last time and get a total of 35 Collection Scroll uses out of those initial 10 Blank Scrolls! Much more efficient than just writing on Blank Scrolls and reading them directly. (Reading a blessed Extraction Scroll will cause the scroll to disappear, not just lose it's blessing, to prevent the possibility of getting an infinite benefit out of Extraction Scrolls and Blessing Pots, but at least any items you extract from a pot via a blessed Extraction Scroll will become blessed as they are extracted.) Note that if you're going to carry so much stuff into any dungeon, it's worth it to spend a bit more money/points to bless all your pots or at least bless your Blessing Pot, as blessed pots can resist being sealed or turned into onigiri by monsters or traps. Likewise, it's a good idea to carry a Balance Staff in your main inventory to avoid the possibility of tripping on a Trip Trap and breaking your Blessing Pot. No one has documented what happens if you try to abuse a Pick-A-Choice shop by using a Floating Bracelet to avoid triggering the Pitfall Trap; odds are it doesn't work but it's worth testing. Ways that do not work to abuse Pick-A-Choice Shops: you can't see where the rare item was placed via Navigation Scroll or Scouting Bracelet, nor can you dig into the walls around the shop via any digging method. IIRC, you can't wall clip through the walls around a Pick-A-Choice shop either, but this should be confirmed.
[TODO: consider moving the catstone information onto a page dedicated to catstones, and the Pick-A-Choice Shop information onto a page dedicated to unusual rooms in general or Pick-A-Choice Shops specifically, and link to those pages from here.]
Expert Badges
- You conquered a dungeon without using any grass!
- You conquered a dungeon without using any scrolls!
- You conquered a dungeon without using any staves!
- You conquered a dungeon without using any talismans!
- You conquered a dungeon without using any pots!
- You conquered a dungeon without collapsing even once!
- You conquered a dungeon with 3 allies!
- You conquered a dungeon without doing any direct attacks!
Monsters
The types of monsters that can appear in this dungeon have not yet been replicated to this wiki. Here are good external resources:
- https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1C1h9IRPQPLg9g7aE48wlyw8IudHIStawK4mR3kuggto/edit?usp=sharing
- http://seesaawiki.jp/w/shiren5/d/%a5%a4%a5%ce%a5%ea%a4%ce%c6%b6%b7%a2 (Japanese wiki page for this location)
Open Questions
- Can you get an expert badge if you use a Magic Circle?
- Can you wall clip through the walls around a Pick-A-Choice shop to get the prize that way?
- Can you use a Navigation Scroll or Scout Bracelet after starting the Pick-A-Choice game to see where the prize is that way?
- Can you use a Floating Bracelet to avoid triggering the traps in a Pick-A-Choice shop?
- Can you find a Night Ward anywhere else without wishing for it? What about the other rare items, can any of them be found anywhere else?